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Originally Posted by MS Fowler
Not a bad response, but you do me a disservice when you claim I think that repubs are fundamentally Conservative. There is a dichotomy among repubs---the leadership has many of the partisan hacks who are simply there for the power they can wield, and the fortunes they can amass--very much like many dems. But, many/most rank and file, grass roots repubs are much more Constitutional Conservatives, and aware they the leadership is not with them. But, just as Progressives took nearly a Century to get the power they wielded in 2008, the Conservatives will have to be satisfied with doing what is "possible" in any given election, and hope to move incrementally to the right.
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I agree. Provided that you realize the fundamental difference between the Republican party (definitely not conservative) and true
conservatives, we are on the same page. I cannot stomach the Repos simply because they claim to be "conservative" and they have no clue as to the definition of the term. GWB was classic for this. RR was similar, but not to the degree.
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Originally Posted by MS Fowler
I do see fundamental differences between a second Obama term and a Romney one. Repealing that $2.8 Trillion load on the debt would be a great start. Allowing business- large and small- a few years where they have assurance that the playing field will remain relatively constant, and not have to deal with ever increasing regulations or Executive order dictates that increase the cost of business would be another major difference.
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I'm slowly coming around to your position. However, unfortunately, I have absolutely no trust in Willard. He simply wants to be the President and he will say or do anything to achieve that goal. I have no confidence that he will put his balls on the line to force major spending reductions and I fully know that he will
NEVER get the health care spending bill repealed. He'll take political cover using the Senate as his scapegoat. We can easily use Republican administrations of the past to understand what the potential forthcoming one would do.
Romney has absolutely no conviction about anything, and, therefore the government will remain as the status quo. This is exactly what we do not need.
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Originally Posted by MS Fowler
Simply because you, or another progressive, posts an answer, or a challenge to a Conservative POV, does not negate the Conservative POV--sometimes we simply see it differently. Remember something about facts and lies--many, many so-called facts are simply spin. Tell part of the truth, ignore part of the truth and you get spin.
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I respect your views regarding conservative approaches in government and largely agree with them. Where I find you completely close-minded is the point regarding whether or not the Republicans are at all conservative. History shows clearly that they are certainly not. You mind is closed to this fact and you still have some hope.............
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Originally Posted by MS Fowler
As for not changing my mind, I will remind you that due to JR's arguments, I have ceased making the statement that absentee and military ballots are not counted unless they could effect the results. He showed that the laws require all ballots to be counted. I accepted that, and changed my opinion of that issue. So I am not quite as closed minded as you think.
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Excellent.
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Originally Posted by MS Fowler
I have the strength of my convictions---other people are pig-headed and stubborn.  |
Larry has the strength of his convictions and he also is certain that other people are pig-headed and stubborn.
Do you want to be in that boat?
