Originally Posted by Pooka

Ryan is on record as stating this many times. A short check of the Google will show this.

And yes, there are a lot of stupid people out there that say stupid thing. But I have been hearing this comment over and over for the last two years, so it is not something Conservatives have just come up with. It is just a way to justify not thinking for themselves and not having to deal with the far right wing of their party.

One of the Founding Fathers put it much better than I can: Arguing with one who has abandoned logic is like giving medicine to the dead.

Conservatives are the ones who have let these people get out of control. If you are ashamed of their views you should say so and not try to defend them.

Originally Posted by Pooka

....I think most people on this board come here to learn others points of view and perhaps expand their own view of the world. You can state almost any opinion you want here as long as you can back it up with facts .Wishing your viewpoints were the 'truth' is not really what this site is all about. Stating what you wish were true and then backing it up with facts is a bit more to the point.... .


....Stick to facts you can back up and if someone proves you wrong then you are just that much smarter!