Eugene, Have you run Primacy's before? I agree they're rather pricey. Ever bot any take-offs? 4 Benzes over 29 years and only Michelins for me. They're alittle hard to find, but I buy alot of Michelin take-offs. They'll make your ride up and down 271 enjoyable despite all the potholes from the wonderful Winter we've had. I'm a fellow Buckeye in the capitol city. Fred's got it right. Hadn't heard about the 3 M's, but I like his idea. DJ