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aklim · #13 03-28-2013, 10:24 PM

Question: What would Bush, Obama or any President do with the situation? People act as though the President can do it but will not. Fact is the Prez is powerless, really. Even some state Governors are more powerful in that they have line item veto that the Prez doesn't have. In WI, the Governor can take a passage, cut and past it till it says what he wants. Prez doesn't get to do that. All he can do is sign it or veto it. All or nothing. So if you want to blame Bush, Obama, Carter, Bush Sr, etc, etc, go for it but unless we give them at the minimum, line item veto (IIRC, it didn't pass constitutional muster), what we have is what I have always called a hostage situation. I sneak in a piece of pork in legislature that will give money to schools. Either you sign it all or I denounce you as the Prez that doesn't give a crap about the poor students.

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According to some scholars, Wisconsin has used four types of extraordinary partial vetoes. The first, the "digit veto", was first used by Governor Patrick Lucey in 1973. In appropriation for $25 million, he vetoed the digit 2, resulting in an appropriation of $5 million. Just two years later, Lucey introduced the "editing veto". In this instance, the word "not" was removed in the phrase "not less than 50 percent", thus resulting in the opposite effect than desired by the legislature. In 1983, an even more extreme version, the "pick-a-letter" or "Vanna White veto" was introduced. Governor Anthony Earl edited a 121-word, five-sentence paragraph down to a one-sentence, 22-word paragraph to change an appeals process from the courts to the Public Service Commission. The final version, the "reduction veto", was introduced in 1993 by Governor Tommy Thompson. This resulted in a legislatively-appropriated amount being reduced arbitrarily by the governor. This unprecedented usage has resulted in eight lawsuits and numerous amendment proposals. In the first lawsuit, State ex. rel. Wisconsin Telephone Co. v. Henry, the Wisconsin Supreme Court granted absolute partial veto power to the Governor as long as a workable, complete law remained, stating the governor had "the right to pass independently on every separable piece of legislation in an appropriation bill." The only judicial limitation was Risser v. Klauser, which prohibited the "reduction veto", stating that "the constitution prohibits a writein veto of monetary figures which are not appropriation amounts." Earlier, in 1990, an amendment was passed outlawing the "Vanna White veto". Yet, in 2011, Governor Scott Walker controversially crossed out 116 words in a pension-related section of the budget bill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-item_veto_in_the_United_States