Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

But where is the outrage? So many people, so many grass roots efforts have been put into motion to defend the 2nd, (and good for people to finally stand up for something) where were these people when Bush II gutted our freedoms??

This is what weakens the argument now, and makes them seem like people who are actually more concerned with their toys than with their rights.
Why don't the 2nd people simultaneously protest the Patriot Act?
It is a credibility killer IMHO. And I really think it boils down to partisanship...