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Old 04-22-2013, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by cmac2012 View Post
Of course they should have. The ATF people involved admit they should have scrapped the raid that day. But the place didn't burn down that day, it was 51 days later. 51 days seems like an example of patience.

I heard the 911 tape of Koresh calling to complain about armed agents assaulting their compound on the first day. He kept lapsing into biblical last days talk, speaking about the 7 seals and the like. (insert the standard response, 'so that means the ATF was obligated to burn him and children alive?')

There was plenty of time for Koresh and crew to calm down. But he/they didn't. Koresh was in messianic delusions about being crucified. Word I've read is that he originally thought his martyrdom would come in Israel, but by 1991 thought it would be in the United States. Also that from '92 he was talking about martyrdom in his sermons. I'm sorry but I see a little bit of Jim Jones in dude, only it was suicide by cop with Koresh.
Okay, we agree that the gov didn't handle the initial portion correctly.

Do we also agree that subsequent actions are dependent or predicated on the first event?

What I mean is this: Had BATF not done what they did, it is less likely that agents would have been shot, etc.

(note that this does not in any way absolve or excuse Koresh's subsequent actions)
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