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Originally Posted by kerry
Please provide us with the defined meaning of history.
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Because you seem not to understand.
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Originally Posted by JB3
...Secondly its only after the extreme passage of time that he's been deified, several hundred years before he was made into a religious figure of extreme importance.
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Except you know as well as I do, that these are false statements.
I provided evidence in the form of the Gospel of John and the Carmen Christi (Philippians 2:5-11). Both of which are
well within the bounds of a century.
Then again, we have this.
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Originally Posted by JB3
I have no doubt that there were people in his time that deified him, so it seems that large numbers seem to have not regarded him as a deity until later on.
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Originally Posted by martureo
Let me know what a "large number" is.
It was large enough that the Roman Empire persecuted them for tax evasion and treason (because they were not a legitimate or legal religion).
It was large enough that they were mentioned by plenty of people in government positions.
Please, there were plenty of Christian early on. Don't be so naive.
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And if you remember I got no answer.
Then further...
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Originally Posted by JB3
...the day the Romans adopted christianity as the state religion, which was 313 AD...
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Originally Posted by martureo
- The "Romans" (or the Roman Empire) did not adopt Christianity as a state religion in 313 AD. In 313 AD Christianity became a legitimate religion, prior to that point it was illegal to be a Christian. Illegal because every person in the empire was obligated not only to pay tax to Caesar but to offer to him as a living deity. Jews also rejected this but the Roman Emperor gave them an exception to the rule, until 313 AD Christians were not given such an exemption. Up til the Peace of the Church in 313 AD (and more vigorously just prior to that point) Christians were arrested, their property seized and often they were just executed. Constantine (the emperor responsible for the Peace of the Church) was baptized by an Arian bishop on his death bed. No Christian today would consider Arians to be Christians as they deny the deity of Christ. Arius himself was declared a heretic and banned by the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD.
- Christianity didn't become a "state religion" of the Roman Empire until 380 AD by the Edict of Thessalonica.
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Finally, an apology.... except it's still full of error.
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Originally Posted by JB3
I mixed up the edict of Milan with the edict of Thessalonica, though again, im not sure what the big arguement is here for you. These edicts were several hundred years after christ, up until 311 with the edict of toleration, then 313 with the edict of Milan where Constatine himself converts
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Originally Posted by martureo
- If you're going to make a statement of fact, get it right.
- If you're going to make an assertion based on a statement of historical fact. Get your facts straight in the first place.
- I'll repeat myself again since you apparently didn't remember. Constantine converted to Arianism (not Christianity) on his death bed in the year 337 AD NOT in 313 AD.
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It seemed the matter was closed.... but then nope, he continues with the same error.
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Originally Posted by JB3
so he did not have essentially an epiphany at the battle of Milvian bridge where he suddenly started honoring the christian god after supposedly seeing a vision? That was obviously the turning point, after that he was a patron of the christian church.
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So, Kerry, how many times does a person need to be corrected on several points before conversing with them is unfruitful?