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Originally Posted by martureo
I have yet to reference that I think the Bible is fact. (assumption #1)
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..... I guess you forgot what you've been referring back to.
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I'm sorry but you're quite wrong.
In the 1st century we have a hymn supposedly written in the first years after the Crucifixtion proclaiming the diety of Christ (Philippians 2:5-11, also known as the Carmen Christi, the hymn of Christ).
We have fragments from the Gospel of John from the early 2nd century as well. (still less than a century)
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We know (and I mean a great many scholars believe) that the epistle to the Philippians quoting the hymn was written by Paul between 50-62 CE. Which means that in the absolute worst case scenario JB3 is wrong. But the hymn definitely existed prior to Paul writing it and the wording and oral tradition carry it back to the point of the crucifixion.
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These are the two comments you have referred to throughout the entire thread as proof that I am wrong about whatever you disagree with. Isn't Phillipians the 11th book of the new testament?
Perhaps my train of logic is fuzzy here, but wouldn't you be referring to something from the bible as fact in order to say I am completely wrong in the above quotes?
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The three centuries of scholars I mentioned, the majority of them were/are atheists. (assumption #2)
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does their opinion carry more weight because they might be athiests? since when do you take the scholarly word of an athiest as true in relation to Christ? Seems unlikely, but why don't you cite these scholars, would be interesting to read.
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And you claim I'm all over the place.... sheesh. I think I'm almost useless in this type of debate as you don't want a dialogue, you want a monologue.
I wish I would've followed my own hunch and stopped talking to you awhile ago. Your lack of knowledge in the areas of ancient culture, theology, textual transmission and textual criticism are only replaced by a bunch of pseudo facts strung together with some really really bad logic.
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again, this is not a real response. I thought we were having a conversation, or as much as we could with your constant return to personal attack.
