If I'm the second vehicle at a red light, the car in front gets the amount of time it takes me to disengage the clutch and put it in first gear, plus about one additional second before I'm on the horn. In that situation even a motorcycle horn is usually enough to wake someone up.

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83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 401,xxx miles
08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 26,xxx miles
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