I agree that Frowned upon is a really poor choice of words. I did not know about JJ's speech helping to quell violence in Tulsa but it does not surprise me. Like many political leaders he is far from perfect as a human being but still capable of very good things. I heard him speak once at the national school board conference and he was very inspirational.

Twenty years ago it was and he spoke of how it cost $15000 to go to college per year and $30000 to incarcerate....still an excellent point but the numbers are higher for both now.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.