Thanks for replies D.S.,Charmalu, and stretch fror the info. And site where to buy the f.w. bolts if needed yes I can them from benz wholesale for $4/piece #1109900419 for my auto. Stretch are you saying you hung the engine from the aluminum intermediate plate or another adapter plate from some other source? I would only hang it for a short time basically to clean better before install if I wanted to really look at the bottom end yes I would take f.w.off and mount to block which is what I will do with the spare engine I have that I lost the oil cooler hose on. I guess the message is if going to hang from the plate do so at your own risk for fear of breaking the aluminum plate 500 lbs. is a lot of weight to be hanging on that plate that is 1 1/2" thick. Might get 12 of those f.w. bolts for $50. Probably should find a 12mm 12 point socket also instead of using a wrench. Thanks all