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Squiggle Dog · #90 08-31-2018, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by vwnate1

The American diet didn't include much meat until after the turn of the century and this also was when cancer began to rear it's ugly head .

My Father was a Doctor, an Oncologist to be exact and by the time he was 50 he stopped eating meat, prolly why he lived to graduate Harvard the _second_ time at age 9- and lived to be 93 .

In the end Squig's arguments are all moot, not only because they're full of dog whistled but the basic fact that as mentioned : meat tastes damn good and we're at the top of the food chain, simple, you're not going to change it much no matter how you bend the statistics .

Yep, this thread went astray but is still (IMO) useful .

Yes, eating animal products and cancer are interconnected. And then throw in processed foods for the plant-based portion, add refined sugars and junk food, and you're a real ticking time-bomb.

You're right that I can't make someone care if they are beyond feeling. But, I've found that there are a lot more people that care and are motivated enough to do something about it than one might think.

I'm not really concerned about "winning" the argument as much as I am about putting forth statements that people can ponder over so they can reflect on themselves and ask themselves if they are really living according to the values which they say they possess.

Eating meat just because it tastes good is a stupid reason to justify killing an animal that also suffered a horrible life. Many vegans like the taste of meat (I don't, even the smell makes me gag, but I think the longer one stops eating meat, the less appetizing it becomes--it's like any addiction, after a while, the temptation lessens, though for me I've never had a craving for animal products since I stopped eating them over 15 years ago), but it hasn't stopped them from removing it from their diet because they realize that taste isn't worth more than an animal's life, plus if your meat comes from a factory farm (try finding meat that doesn't, and non-factory-farming isn't possible for everyone, anyway; there simply isn't enough land on earth for everyone who eats meat to eat non-factory-farmed meat at the rate at which they are currently eating it) then the animal lived in horrible conditions where they were treated like an object.

Even if the statistics are bent in favor of eating meat (which they often are by the meat, dairy, and egg industries), they still don't look good and the holes in the logic are pretty apparent.