Botnst- ditto!! (ooops-bad word

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jjl- Mandela was trained by Soviets, employed subversion and torture, supported his wife (remember the "neckless"? a tire filled with diesel put over the opponent's neck and lit- a favorite persuasion tool of winnie Mandela). Mugabe seems to be learning on Mandela's experience. I suggest you learn more about the man before you idolize him.
As to Bush, well, at the height of war he had 75% support. His lowest rating is about 51%- that's the HIGHEST of Clinton's. And yet, the press is saying that the country was deeply divided over the war!
Really? hmm.. 3/4 population supported the war and Bush, and it seems that except for Liberals, the majority still supports him. Clinton could not dream of such high numbers. And yet people insist on claiming Dubya is stupid. Hm.. he beat Clinton, didn't he?