Good point. Excellent point.

I think you have to prove that a person knows the truth but uttered an untruth with the intention to mislead or deceive.

I'll bet some smarty-pants lawyer out there can give us a legal definition, but until then, I like mine.

If I tell you an untruth with the intention of making you laugh, knowing that I'm telling an untruth, is that lying? I don't think so.

If jjl told me that Tony Blair said he's gonna nuke Paris and I told MedMech that tidbit, thinking it true, would I be a liar? I don't think so.

If jjl told me his Porsche had 16K miles on it and I believed him, then used that figure to sell the Porsche to MedMech, pocketing for myself a percentage, would I be lying? I don't think so.

Etc.

B