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Originally posted by KirkVining
There was not a single major social prgram passed during the Clinton years. In fact, the largest expansion of social prgrams since the 1970s was the perscription drug bill. which the Republican House and Senate passed and the President just signed. It's a freakin boondoggle that is now projected to have unestimated cost overruns in the hundreds of billions, so spare me the standard bad ole liberals soap box speech. They haven't been a factor in government expeditures since 1992, 12 yrs ago.
Spending and tax policy originates in the House, which has been repub majority since then, without interruption....
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Sheesh..., where have you been living? Start with the HUD fiasco and work through SS fund opening. We can go from there.
"President Bill Clinton last night proposed the biggest tax increase in American history as part of what he claimed is a balanced $493 billion deficit reduction package." Daniel J. Mitchell, Ph.D.- February 18, 1993
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Originally posted by KirkVining
Clinton also ran the largest budget surpluses in history, .....
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Bulls**t. What Clintoon did was the same thing he did in his AR real estate scams. "Accounting tricks 101"
Increase the budget ceiling and "voila", you're now "within budget" again.
Clintoon era food for thought:
"A Joint Economic Committee report found that every dollar of higher taxes since 1947 has resulted in $1.59 of higher spending. This statistical survey is supported by recent history. Tax increases in 1982, 1984, 1987, and 1990 all were enacted for the alleged purpose of deficit reduction. In every case, however, the deficit rose the following year because lawmakers could not resist the temptation to spend the expected new revenues. " (these during both Dem and Repub admins, but Dem controlled congress, BTW, so the fault is with both AFAIC)
The problem with "tax and spend"
"All of the tax increases (specifically of the Clintoon era), including the increases in marginal income tax rates, are assumed to have no impact on the behavior of taxpayers. In the real world, however, individuals and businesses already have been adjusting their behavior to protect their earnings and lighten the expected burden of higher taxes"
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.... It doesn't matter whose in power, all our politicians love pork....
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OK, this I can get behind. But what can we do about it besides complain? Not saying there ISN'T something, we just need to come up with a way to get new blood (who are NORMAL people; work for a living, family, NOT rich, etc.) involved in the legislative process. Either that, or maybe ULTRA-RICH so that "buying them off with pork" would be impossible? Then again, rich people always want more no matter what they have, so that's probably not an option either. BTW, in this context, it's "who's."
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....... Rebublicans handing it out to Halliburton, its the same ****.
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OK, lets also include Dems there too, because they, as a majority were involved in the decision. Besides, I understand what you're saying and agree, but Haliburton is a bad example here. That was one of the RIGHT things to do in this case. Having seen the awesome destruction that was caused to the enviro in '91 when the POS's lit up wells from Al Basrah up to Baghdad. Oil well fires do not go into the dark night easily. They burned and spewed black for months. Calling in the most experienced company in the world to deal with what we fully expected again was the right call.
The "other" option, was to put up the well work for bid. Let's see..., that's 90 days for bidders on the fast-track. Then acceptance of the lowest bidder (do ya think the lowest bidder woulda' known a THING about oil well fires in Iraq), then deployment, all the while, our environment is loaded with 90-120 days worth of raw oil fire pollution.
Not many people I know who've worked contract DIDN'T work for Halliburton at one time. The largest and most experienced in the oil biz (not that I'm a "Halliburton" lackey - they f**ked me ROYALLY on taxes that I'm still trying to get squared away - they also know accounting tricks 101!). That's why the fires, ALL of them, (they didn't light a lot of the wells this time anyway, thanks to the SF units/EOD guys who got on the wells and de-activated the various items) were out in days.
But..., point well taken. The repubs seem to give more rev's to the biz in this country than to social programs that perpetuate leeches.
Let's see though...., hmmm...., give incentive to biz, biz hires more workers and expands, more $'s go down the line into the economy???? That's a BAD thing??????