From an April 5 interview with Omar Bakri Muhammad, a suspected member of Al Qaeda and head of Al Muhajiroun, a radical Islamic group based in London. Of the eight suspects arrested on March 30 for planning to execute a terrorist attack in London, seven are known to have been Huhammad's proteges. The interview was conducted by Paulo Moura and appeared in the April 18 edition of Publico, a Portuguese daily...

You say you want to see the Islamic flag flying at 10 Downing Street. Is this a dream or an agenda?

I believe that one day it will happen, because this is my country. I like living here. God said: "Don't live among nonbelievers unless you call for their conversion".

...further...

Is terror the only way to make people aware of this? (This meaning the Islamic predicament and terror as retaliation against Western aggression).

Terror is the language of the twenty-first century. If I want something, I terrorize you to achieve it. To support George Bush is a kind of terrorism. To support Al Qaeda is the same. Everybody is involved. Every Muslim is a terrorist, every non-Muslim is a terrorist. This is the "time of killing". It is predicted in the divine text. Muhammad said "I am the prophet of mercy", but he also said "I am the prophet of massacre". The word "terrorism" is not new among Muslims. Muhammad said "I am the prophet who laughs when he's killing the enemy". It is not a question of killing the enemy. It's laughing while we are killing.

...further again...

How many memebers does Al Qaeda have?

About 11,000. They gather, they spread all over the world, and they gather again. If they didn't recruit, they would disappear, because their destiny death. It's time for Bin Laden himself and his companions to die.

This interview was reprinted in part in the July Harper's if anyone wants to check it out.

I don't know how you win a war against terrorism or radical/fundamental Muslim ideology without destroying or fundamentally changing the ideology. It reminds me of the arguments/periods when I listened to the monologues, of hard line Marxists in undergrad. Any argument outside the system is sucked into it and turned into support for what is really a closed system of thought.