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Originally posted by Joseph Bauers
Posted by Botnst: Whether they have messianic visions or believe in their racial superiority doesn't matter so much as the fact that they cannot stand allowing people to be free. They hate our culture of free expression, open debate, choice of Godliness or not, ability to vote people in and out o f power on a whim. All of that freedom flies in the face of authoritarianism.
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Everything I've read on the subject, and I've read quite a lot, says that bin Laden's attitude toward the U.S. stems from our presence in what he considers holy places. This whole speech that "they hate our freedom" and that's why they attack us is straight out of Bush's initial comments after 9/11.
It reminds me of the great PBS series on the Civil War, with the legendary Shelby Foote. Near the end of the war, with Union forces using their far greater numbers to pound a Confederate position mercilessly, it was reported that one Union soldier yelled out, across the lines--"Why do you persist? You cannot win? Why do you fight on?" To which the Reb replied: "Because you all are down here."
Joe B.
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As I stated in another thread where it was deemed irrelevent, religion, not politcal ideology or expediency is the most powerful force in the Islamic world, just as it was for the Western world in our Medievel phase. It took us a thousand years to get over it.
All that enemy of freedom stuff doesn't mean squat to a muslim if he believes he is living in violation of the Koran. Bin Laden's appeal to them is simple: the Koran states that when Infidels live among them, they must live a certain way or be beheaded (get the connection to recent events?). If this law, specifically given from the mouth of Mohammend himself, is not followed, the land they live in has been given over to Satan. To a muslim, this outweighs any laudable Jeffersonian ideals. Even the most liberal muslim must heed any words that were spoken by Mohammend in peril to their soul, as his word is the word of God himself. We talk of none of this in our press or from out president, and instead us our own cultural prejudices to think if they only had democracy, they would vote Mohammend out of office. How foolish. Until we do a better job of respecting their cultures and dealing with them in ways that satisfy their religion, we are doomed to failure.
hating our freedom has very little to do with it. It's actually a very simple religous issue. The Saudi government allows Westerners to live in "compounds" where Western ways are practiced, (and also by the way where Saudi nobles like to hang out so they can drink booze and try to score, just like us). Since they are doing this in the land that Mohammend walked, the land of Islam itself is "unclean". There are things like this going on in all Islamic societies and the reactions against it are what fule Bin Laden. Your average Muslim totally agrees with Bin Laden's basic postion, they only differ in what must be done to deal with it. In addition, any Iraqi who would be what we would call a "liberal" is ok to kill under the Sharia.