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Originally posted by KirkVining
6) The real issue is whether Bush and Rumsfeld set the stage for these abuses. Since they have no al_queda connection, no WMDS, they were willing to torture people to get something, anything they could use to save their asses.
7) If you have proof of an al-queda Saddam link, better call the 911 Commission, they apparently don't have info you do. Give it to Cheney to, he can't seem to come up with it either.
8) If we are "winning" the war on terrorism, where the F**K is Ossama? Fixin to be in your backyard thanks to Bush.
9) Oh, I have your examples: Foxnews, MSNBC, AM radio, Wall St Journal, hundreds of local papers, the Moonies Washington Times-UPI syndicate, the GOP disinformation machine that plants false stories in the press.
10) So thats an imminent threat? Keep trying to find WMDs being massed produced to threaten the US. The world is waiting. It's also been widely reported in the press that the Poles have now stated the shells tested negative for sarin. Big goose eg on your story. At this stage you have one old artillery shell with Sarin, and three or four rusty, leaky mortar shells with mustard gas, a World War I blister agent. And you accuse MM of exageration
11) We've killed over 20,000 civilains, probably more, in Iraq
12) Because it is false bull$hit only true believers like you still believe.
13) The back and forth on the Poles staying or going was widely reported in the press. They are the poorest country in Europe, and they will stay as long as we continue to bribe their ass with foriegn aid, a true member of the Coalition of the Billing. BTW- I never noticed you mention the Spanish, third largest partner, who got the hell out.
14) The econmy lost 3 million jobs under Bush. It has since gained 1.3 million as you noted. Do the math.
Also, for the first time in history we export more hi-tech jobs than we create. Have a good time flipping burgers.
15) He's not Bush
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I apologize for not keeping up. Unlike some liberals, I work 60 hrs per week and have a quiant 2-parent (me and my female wife plus our epileptic 3-year old) family. Now, shall we continue?
before I'll do #6, lets have some quotes:
"We have made it clear that it is our policy to see Saddam Hussein gone. And if entrusted with the presidency, my resolve will never waver" Al Gore, during the 2000 Presidential campaign.
BTW, for you who still claim Bush "stole" the election. There were 5 unofficial recounts that followed Gore's requirements rejected by the Supreme Court. Name one that would give Gore victory (hint- it's a trick, the lowest margin for Bush's victory was 500 votes in recount by Princeton University Democratic Club).
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country" Al Gore, September 23, 2002.
" Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power" Al Gore September 23, 2002. Wanna play more quotation games? I have plenty more including Senator Kerry in 1997 (he stated that Clinton has a right to invade Iraq at any time with or without UN resolution and backing. You wanna a quote?).
Ok. next.
#6 No, the REAL issue is that liberals are reaching to find ANY negative news about Iraq, even in positives. I can find on google pictures of far worse "abuses" during hazings in the US Universities and, by God, high schools. Not to mention that training for the pilots and other units ( the "capture" exercises) is way more "abusive." Gee, YOU did not seem to worry about the Iraqis in Saddam's prisons. By the thousands they had their arms amputated, fingernails pulled, were thrown off the roofs, drowned in acid bath, had their spouses raped in front of them. Starngely, the liberals were not screaming for "investigation" then. But then again, we learn to accept hypocrisy from liberals.
#7 Do you have a proof that there wasn't? (I'm making a point here, so don't strain yourself too much).
#8 Gee, if we won WWII, where is the body of Hitler???? How come there are still questions about his death? This strange moving target again. Last year the same question had also added "... Saddam, his sons, and top regime people." When Osama is captured, YOU will say " oh, THEY always had him, this is just (???) an election ploy". again, read Memo #15 of 9/11 commission. You know, the one that DID NOT make headlines.
#9 A now famous study showed that only FoxNews has approximately 1:1 ratio of liberal to conservative hosts and guests. For ABC that ratio is 5:1 and for NBC 3:1. Unless it takes 5 liberals to shout over 1 conservative (or actual facts, for that matter)? I'll find the references, if you really want them.
#10 Hmmm, UN resolution 1441 called for Hussein to account for ALL WMDs. he refused. Based on my study of the UN resolutions, that ONE find would be sufficient to take him out. The moving target again. What would you like to see? should we set a number? Each of the shells found (according to Rumsfeld's July 1st speech to NATO- not so "widely" reported) could kill 4000 to 5000 people. By YOUR account that one find likely saved 20,000 to 25,000 people. So what would YOU consider a "mass destruction"?? please, lets set a real, hard number. BTW, the latest I have on the story:
July 1 morning, Rumsfeld stated that Poland found 18 warheads with WMDs. Polish Govmnt confirmed with 2 warheads tested "intrusively and containing sarin and the remaing 17 with preliminary tests showing presence of mustard gas". That was confirmed by 3 independent labs including an American one. July 1st evening - French agency AFP (I think) reported that "multinational coaltion sources" (never identified) stated that the 17 shells were empty, and the other 2 were old and presented "minimal threat". THIS story was quoted (!) by Reuters who DROPPED the whole thing. on July 2nd (and, subsequently, the 3rd) Polish government issued a statement CONFIRMING, that all 17 warheads contained WMDs. They also stated that they were unaware of any US denial of that fact. On the 3rd, the same Poles accused some elements within the US of "pre election games." Who or why was playing "games" is unclear. The latest I heard comes from Al Jazeera (yup- THEM) stating that there are "doubts about Polish claim" and , essentially, quoting the French and Reuters. After that I heard nothing.
#11 and it only cost US 800 troops????? and you telling me we are LOOSING????? are you NUTS? you can quote that and in the same post claim US is LOOSING? You need a reality check. Can't have it both ways. sorry. BTW, of what I understand, you count all of the Iraqi army, terrorists, suicide bombers and the civilians killed by them in this number? At least that's what I gathered surfing the liberal web sites.
#12 Brilliant piece of logic. Are you always that brilliant, or is it an isolated incident???
#13 Polish GDP in 2003 ranked Poland 24th in the World (ie out of 229 countries). Polish industrial growth ranks 132nd. France is 135. US is 137th. Look up at
www.allyoucanread.com. Again, Facts collide with your beliefs and assumptions. Ask Mr. Moore. He should know. It's a common liberal affliction.
#14 the liberal senators from Pennsylvania hailed the latest legislation allowing slot gambling to "create 3000 jobs. these are low-tech jobs, not requiring college degree. the jobs we need." Again, you liberals want it both ways. Anyway, this argument is phony for two reason- you have NO facts to back up the low-tech data or the number (will you people finally decide how many of these jobs were really lost? is it 1.2, 2.0, or 3 million?? The number changes so fast, it's hard to keep up. or should we agree it's ALWAYS more, no matter how many new jobs are created??).
#15 Brilliant! At this point it seems liberals would likely vote for Saddam-Osama ticket, "because they are not Bush"
Oh, a new tidbit about Kerry - he belives life begins at conception, AND he is for late term abortion. that way it's impossible to determine, if there is ANYTHING he is for or against. He simply cannot lose! And if he does, John Edwards will likely sue over it!!
FLUSH THE JOHNS!