Thanks Again Arthur ..

Had made a little jumper wire and jumped 50 - 50r before with no luck (yes working on cable, not the switch on the tranny ) so expected no power at 50 ... did just go and check and yes, no power at 50 when engaging the starter with the key ..

so how does one trouble shoot the alarm relay and ing sw???

also, altho I am sure it is not related, one of the relays behind the fuse box buzzes softly when the key is on (not the annoying ign buzzer, it's the flasher et al relay)

the alarm doesn't seem to work, I locked the car (from passenger side) with the drivers window down and opened the driver door from the inside .. got one little 'beep' , no headlight flash ..

again, the help is REALLY appreciated!!!!!!

Tim