Thanks for the reply the key to the car was lost. And to make matters worse this is a replacement switch so it is not OE, I am buying the car and trying to help out the mech. that is working on the problem. We found a post on the list that indicated that it was easer to remove the lock tumblers than to replace the entire switch so he is going to try that approach. If you know of any pitt falls to avoid that information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Jon