still trying to get up to speed with this whole chat thing as well. Thanks for the info. I am looking for something older. I really don't like all the electronics. Hoping to spend up to $3,000 for an experimental car that my daughter can drive and do the WVO thing. I'm not afraid of age or mileage as long as it's been maintained. I am would like to find something $7500 or less for me. I run a program for people with disabilities and need something easy to get in and out of physically speaking. We do some transfers from wheelchairs to vehicle and since I'm getting close to the 50 mark myself I am trying to get away from the vans. In college I was a nanny for a family who owned a MBwagon. It was not turbo charged and the boys in the family complained about it being so slow. It was my vehicle to transport the younger children around town in and I loved it. That was when I was driving a '72 Subaru wagon held together with bailing twine!!! Anything was a joy compared to that rust bucket (I did love the ease of repairs for it though) I don't mind slow. It is easier on the people we take for rides around the country. Slow and steady wins the race! I am trying to digest all the info you are sending my way. Much thanks!