thanks psfred for your good assesement on the shocks.ANd Ryan i dope it was not me that u where being sarcastic about me appolegising,cause i do know what i am doing. And LARY BIBLE are u always a PRICK or do u just wake up and say i fel craby ,didnt get layed. So i think i'll be a prick today.You Quoteing Ryan and having some lame ass exuse of a AUTOMATION SOFTWARE INDUSTRY.So what does that make you any kind of EXPERT of telling other people on how to repair ther car.Yes i did miss read your 2'nd last reply ,and saying that u are the king SPELLING and punctuations..So maybe u should keep your profesion where u think u are good at ,and keep it there.And let the people that know what they are doing help other people with there problems and u stay as far away from a car as much as pushing ,prying and prodding as u called it,,,And sorry Ryan i did not find your artical on the ball joints Best Wishes for all exept one Harald