what's with this car related stuff?? this board is for useless religious and political missives and the occasional tasteless joke!
seriously though the boys on the diesel discussion will probably know

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James 4:8

"...let us put aside the blindness of mind of those who can conceive of nothing higher than what is known through the senses"
-Saint Gregory Palamas, ---Discourse on the Holy Transfiguration of Our Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ


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