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Originally Posted by GermanStar
Numbers don't cause things, they measure things that already exist.
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I don't think I can buy that. Individual existent things (like boat hulls), have their existence prescribed by fixed numbers. Numbers (constants?) are embedded in all existent things (I think). If it's not a causal relationship, then what kind of relationship is it? It doesn't seem a stretch to me to say that numbers are in some ways the DNA of all reality. It's odd that they can have this power without being objects themselves, or at least not objects in the material sense.