A price to pay for alternative fuels by BRUCE HENDERSON - Page 11 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

aklim · #**151** 06-15-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by retmil46

For his part, he's going to pay the fine and then post the required bond so he can go back to burning SVO legally.

And I can't fault the guy for not posting the bond to begin with, if the state bureaucrats were so clueless they didn't know the proper procedure themselves and were unable to tell him to begin with what was required to legally use SVO.

Which he should have done in the first place.

Did he attempt to find out via the bureaucrats and lawyers? I would have if I want to do something like that.

dukegrad98 · #**152** 06-15-2007, 09:16 PM

Let 'er rip, FlossHogg! That patriotic duty you speak of keeps a lot of my friends that are tax attorneys driving really expensive cars...and their clients paying frequent bills.

Cheers, John

aklim · #**153** 06-15-2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FlossHogg

Try and slap me and I punch back.

Government is an intangible entity meant to benefit and serve the will of man.

This country was founded on the principal of fighting against illegal taxation sheeple.

Yes, laws can be illegal and by breaking them you are doing you patriotic duty.

It was illegal to rise up against the British crown in the founding days but what would have happened if everyone was to cowardly to stand up for their beliefs...

Oooh! Big talk. Know what I like about Pit Bulls and Rotts, etc, etc? They know they have it and don't need to strut their stuff like the little yippy dogs.

So if YOU deem it doesn't serve your will it is now an illegal law then? What if I deem that 65 on the highway doesn't serve my will? I think 95 is just fine.

The word there is "was" and that "was" is over 200 years old. Years ago, disputes were settled with a gunfight. Again, that is another "was". Like I said, if you don't like it, take it to court. Armed revolt because you don't like something is and should be a thing of the past otherwise we will have all sorts of riots on an hourly basis. Think 300 million people who all feel that they have a gripe.

OK. So who decides about this patriotic duty? You piss me off so I'll come over to your house and kill you and your family. Screw the laws against that. I think the law against murder is illegal so I should also do my patriotic duty and break it? What about the law against rape? Better yet, what about the laws against statutory rape? WTF? We have had child marriages for centuries. Who is the govt to tell me I can't marry an 8 yo girl or boy if I so choose, right? Would you say it was the right thing to do my patriotic duty then and marry some pre-pubescent child?

Again, the word is "was". Solutions then are not necessarily solutions today. When we were young, the solution for a full bladder and/or bowels was to pee and crap in our pants. You do that now? Maybe we should have a society where everybody obeys only the laws they themselves see fit? Sorry, never saw such a society, have you?

GREASY_BEAST · #**154** 06-15-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

How is it more complex? IF you have an interest in a person, you go ask them out. If you have an interest in staying within the law, you go ask somebody in that profession, say a lawyer. When I have legal questions, I don't ask the guy standing on the corner of 5th and Main. I ask an attorney.

Diesel fuel is already taxed. Veg Oil isn't and they need to make sure you have funds should they catch you cheating.

Go speak to your congressperson.

I'm confused about the last 3 lines of your post... if vegoil isn't taxed, then what do you need to have funds for... and if you already done payed them the funds, then how ya gonna pay them the taxes? Soo... what could you possibly be cheating on??????? Chances are speaking to your congressperson is a dead end because they are already bought and paid for.

P.S. I would also like to take this opportunity to state publicly that I do not burn, advocate the burning of, or in any way aid or abet those who burn WVO on public roads. My system is for off-road use only

aklim · #**155** 06-15-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GREASY_BEAST

I'm confused about the last 3 lines of your post... if vegoil isn't taxed, then what do you need to have funds for... and if you already done payed them the funds, then how ya gonna pay them the taxes? Soo... what could you possibly be cheating on??????? Chances are speaking to your congressperson is a dead end because they are already bought and paid for.

P.S. I would also like to take this opportunity to state publicly that I do not burn, advocate the burning of, or in any way aid or abet those who burn WVO on public roads. My system is for off-road use only

I'm saying that I don't know what the taxation system is for the record. So, if I wanted to burn WVO, I make sure that I pay the appropriate taxes via an attorney. considering the savings, I would say that the cost of peace of mind is peanuts. As to the funds, I was under the impression that you have to have a $2500 bond in case you ran off and didn't pay the necessary taxes. Not sure if that applies to biodiesel that is home brew or whether SVO and WVO is included. However, if I wanted to find out, I go to the necessary departments and/or attorney. As to the congressperson, well, it may not be the perfect system but do you have an alternative?

Yes and I know a muffler shop that did those "off-road" improvements to the catalytic converter system. Also know someone who cut his own off. Both got into trouble one day. So, play at your own risk.

DeliveryValve · #**156** 06-15-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

Kalifornia already has a way for people to pay their taxes on WVO/SVO legally.

Yes we do. We are liable for at least 18 cents a gallon (plus any local city taxes) on the honor system.

#**157** 06-16-2007, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by FlossHogg

Illegal laws are meant to be broken!

Illegalizing WVO is like illegalizing marijuana or gay marriage. You don't hurt anyone by doing these things but they are illegal because the goverment can run your life better than you apparently and knows whats in you best interests. Double plus good eh? Comrads!

We can't hurl their Texas tea into the harbor because it will kill us all. So we brew our own and kiss mother nature's cheek instead of slapping it. Try and slap me and I punch back. Government is an intangible entity meant to benefit and serve the will of man.
"The will of evil men..." is the will of our current regime. DArkness grows and ignorance reigns in these times.

That makes about as much sense as organized religion.

jonnyo · #**158** 06-16-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

That makes about as much sense as organized religion.

and the one Cuttlefish is right...right?

Oops! Did some silly person cut off your head?
Tsk, tsk. How NOT nice that was! Boo hoo.

Or perhaps you'd care to have your family forced to put their ass in the air and their forehead on the ground and pray to Beelzebub?

I KNOW, I KNOW!

Buddhists, Jews and Christians are far worse!

Let's not try to reason with one and other, oh no.

Let us, instead, talk about what's REALLY important... to ALL of humanity ...in 'the Grand Scheme of Things', K?(not just those evil Americans that are responsible for all the ills in the world)

SO...how 'bout dem SPURS?

What a series, eh?!

Off topic-

Just saw an '85 300D come in-REALLY shaking...HARD! SCARY Looks like the engine is trying to shake itself from the car!
She said that she's been running it on Bio for quite some time though I don't recall if she said how long (didn't ask what blend or from where-I can find that out later)
My '81 300SD, which I ALSO just started to run bio on, has also started to exhibit a similar malady-though much, MUCH milder.
I'm still not sure what is the cause but I'm not putting any more bio in any cars till I sort out...for sure.

OK.

Now where we?

Bio300TDTdriver · #**159** 06-16-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

That makes about as much sense as organized religion.

I'll second that!

#**160** 06-16-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

That makes about as much sense as organized religion.

Oh come on, nothing could possibly make less sense than "organized" religion.

aklim · #**161** 06-17-2007, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FlossHogg

Why don't you try to share this nugget of insight to all the people of Iraq, OH WISE ONE. Oh, we are not really in Iraq. People stopped settling disputes with guns over 200 years ago. Sorry I didnt get that memo.

Um, do you even know why the United States fought for Independence in 1774? Bone up on some history bub.

Just cause you are willing to take it up the butt from the Man doesnt mean everyone else is.

Besides, your arguement is a slippery slope, let me throw a red herring in there for ya. People have values- what is right and what is wrong (if you cant tell the difference you are evil or stupid or both).

Only an imbecile would equate running WVO in a Benz and not paying taxes for it to statutory rape of an 8 year old. Maybe you need to go work for Bill O'rielly.

What the hell are you talking about? Your arguements are very childish and make no sense whatsoever. Get out and travel. Read a book. Do some charity work.

Don't sit there and tell people to do what other people tell you to do just because you are scared or brainwashed into believing that blind, unquestioned subservience is the ultimate truth of all being.

No, the apologies are mine. I thought we were in the USA and not in the middle of Iraq. I must have taken the wrong turn.

I thunk we covered it somewhere in kollege history. Somehow, I didn't see that much of a parallel that I declared it an exact match. So, unless you have the same algorithm and seed, your "random" number will not turn out the same. IOW, what worked then, worked then for certain reasons which may not work today. Another way of putting it, past results are NOT a guarantee of future gains.

What do you suggest? pistols at 20 feet?

Let me throw in something else in return. People have rationalizations and justifications. Let me throw you something else too. It doesn't matter what people have. If they don't use it, they might as well not have it. If they used it, the world would be a way better place than it is today.

I try simplify things as much as I can in life. Life is complicated enough. So, instead of having 100000 rules, I try use principles where possible. So, I tend to wonder what I would describe someone like you who cannot see principles in play here. Maybe you need to understand how to use principles when doing comparisons because there would hardly be another similar case in most things.

Well, good thing we have matured people like you to guide us immature ones. Why, the world is a better place on the date of your birth. Maybe we should make it a national holiday.

I do travel for my business to other parts of the globe. Where do YOU travel to? Utopia?

Maybe you are right. We should all join up with you and revolt. Things might be better with you as the govt then. NOT. Like I said, where would not following what laws an individual deems unjust or illegal begin and end? With you? Everyone has a law or two or three that they deem unjust. What should we all do? Break the laws we disagree with? tell me there wouldn't be chaos with that.

Maybe you are not trained in comprehension. Lets try it again.

Firstly, NOTHING anyone can come up with is perfect. Live with it in society or be a hermit.

Secondly, I never said that we should not challenge laws that we deem are unjust. I am saying that if we could arbitrarily break laws that we deem are unjust, where does it end? With people choosing which laws at which time they choose to obey? All I am saying is that we need to follow the rules until we get them changed. If everyone picked and chose which laws we obey, we will have chaos or do you deny that? The principle is that if you can choose which law you deem unjust or illegal, can I not choose that the law against murder or rape or theft is illegal or unjust? Who draws the line between what laws are just and which we can deem unjust? After all, you got to choose that this law on taxes is unjust, can I not choose another department I feel is unjust?

Thirdly, we have established, in this country and time, avenues to change laws. Once again, they are not perfect but if we were to wait for Utopia, well, we have a long wait. The price of living in a society is that sometimes, you are not going to get your way. If you feel the alternative is better, why don't you move there? This is like living in Mom and Dad's house. The benefits might be free rent and food. The price is that they get to choose the curfew hours, what I eat, if I bring girls there, etc, etc. The alternative is to strike out on my own and do what I want, within the law.

aklim · #**162** 06-17-2007, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FlossHogg

Wow. You really said something there.

Idiot.

What, not true?

#**163** 06-17-2007, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by FlossHogg

So KimJon has nuclear weapons now. He should use them to to make the world a better place? I mean if he has them it would be crazy not to use them by your logic.

If you can call that a nuke.

It was less than 5kilotons of power. They probably just set off a few trucks of old grenades.

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Oh, and the date I was born the United States was making the fastest production car in the world and it got 27mpg. That car was the 1985 Mustang Turbo.

FYI, there has never been an Mustang on the worlds fastest anything for any year. The record for 85's worlds fastest production car is the Lamborghini Countach 5000QV. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastest_production_car

aklim · #**164** 06-17-2007, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by FlossHogg

You thought wrong. What we do as a nation whether internally or internationally is going to have a dramatic effect on the way people live within or without this nation. If you want to turn a blind eye and think that what is going on in the rest of the world does not affect you, thenyou are going to wake up to a cold, brutal reality one day, just like the people in the WTC towers.

So KimJon has nuclear weapons now. He should use them to to make the world a better place? I mean if he has them it would be crazy not to use them by your logic.

Um... You were the one who equated not paying taxes on WVO to murder and statutory rape. I am not hurting anyone by burning WVO. Murder and rape are violent acts. Maybe I am not the one who needs to understand how to use principals in comparisons, eh? You think it is okay to out law innovation. Next thing, your gonna tell me is the world is flat and evolution is witch craft.

Yeah you are pretty lucky to have me around and people like me. We help to insure you get to keep what little rights you actually have. Oh, and the date I was born the United States was making the fastest production car in the world and it got 27mpg. That car was the 1985 Mustang Turbo. I have been to Egypt, Kenya, Mexico, Canada, Cuba, and 39 of the 50 United States.

Ha! Thats a laugh riot to me. Having my comprehension questioned by someone who uses words like Firstly and Thirdly. Do you even think before you spew such ignorance?

"If you don't like it you can get out!!!" Sorry partner, I am from Texas, this is my country and I am damn proud of it. I love this nation so much it tears me apart to see what is happening to this sweet land of liberty. My solution to the problem ain't like yours bub, I don't cut and run on my house. I build it, when necessary rebuild it, and protect it.

Maybe you shouldn't but others can if they are willing. By the way the revolution will not be televised so try looking out the window and out of the box.

NOT!

I'm not turning a blind eye. I am just saying that in this nation, at this time, we don't do the "showdown at high noon" approach to things we don't like. Iraq does it but we have other ways of dealing with disagreements without resorting to gunfights at noon, dawn or whatever.

I think you missed the point. We may have those morals and what not. However, they are worthless if we don't use them. If we had been using them, we would be living in a much better world. There would be less crime and injustice. Way less.

Once again, I did not say that skipping taxes is anywheres as severe as murder or rape. I am talking about the principle of just ignoring a law when it is inconvenient to you. By your thinking, I should be able to blast down an empty road at 10 mph above the speed limit if nobody is there except me and a cop, right? After all who is hurt? I think the speed limit of that road is way too slow. Again, I don't think innovation is bad. Simply, go thru the proper channels.

Well, you bet I will be taking up a religion today so I can thank the deity I chose that you were born. I was born in Singapore. It has NOTHING of it's own other than as a commercial center and a good port. Think Chicago with 4 million people. Come into contact with all kinds of people from all over the world literally. I have been to Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia, Japan and who could forget some tourist action thru certain parts of Canada. Lived in 4 states and visited most of the 50. (Would love to find a business reason to visit Alaska) I haven't been able to see how any of those places could function if EVERYONE could decide which law they liked to go with and which they didn't. How about those places you went to? Any of them can function if EVERYONE could pick and choose the laws they obeyed?

What would you prefer? Bullet points? Do you think yourself?

I migrated here because there isn't a better place for me in the world to be at. However, having said that, I have to admit there are certain faults in this place. So, if you think there is a better place, go to it. All those places I have been to did look perfect from a distance to me. At least until I have spent time there and get to see the ugly side of things. Way I figure it, if the grass is greener there, go there. You'll find out it isn't and you'll be back without the rose colored glasses.

And revolve to what? Same thing with a different twist? We could destroy the entire govt system and redo it and be back to square one because there are inherent problems with any govt you care to choose. It will NOT EVER be perfect.

Look, what I am saying is very simple. Follow the rules, like them or not. If you don't, change them via the proper channels. Until the rules are changed, we need to follow the rules outlined. I have seen companies have massive problems because one individual thought he can operate by his own rules. What happened? Another guy also thought he too could find his own way. Pretty soon, people were picking which rules they wanted to follow. It all started from one guy wanting to come in half an hour later because of some child care issue. Another guy decided that since the first guy could come in later than posted hours, he too could go on an extra break. Pretty soon everyone followed suit. When a manager tried to discipline someone for something, that guy said "Why can Mr X get away with breaking the rule and I cannot?" or words to that effect. Got an answer for that? I don't.

So, what are you advocating? That it only pertains to fuel tax or can anyone decide what rules are unjust and just disobey them with no consequences? If each of us decided on just one law they didn't like and can ignore it, can society function? After all, you felt this law was unjust and should be broken. I feel certain speed limits are unjust and I should be given a pass too. Next guy will feel child support laws are unjust, etc, etc. Sooner or later, we will end up with Jeffery Dahlmer.

Edit: Just to make it clear. If the person is breaking the law just to get their case to court, that is one thing. However, if the person is trying NOT GET CAUGHT, that is not what I consider trying to change an unfair law. First scenario is someone who fights an unfair law and the second is someone who breaks the law and hopes to get away with it.

jonnyo · #**165** 06-17-2007, 04:46 PM

I migrated here because there isn't a better place for me in the world to be at. However, having said that, I have to admit there are certain faults in this place. So, if you think there is a better place, go to it. All those places I have been to did look perfect from a distance to me. At least until I have spent time there and get to see the ugly side of things. Way I figure it, if the grass is greener there, go there. You'll find out it isn't and you'll be back without the rose colored glasses.

You're TELLING HIM HE SHOULD LOOK FOR A BETTER PLACE!? WTF, OVER?

Of all the ignorant nerve.

We, of American heritage, DO NOT want THIS COUNTRY to mirror anything from the third world.

We live free or die...not acquiesce to 'laws' ..just because it is the 'law'.

'Laws' are meant to curtail the nitwit, evil riff raff-not decent, God fearing people.

Americans only need remember where the laws that were initially laid down to guide this nation were garnered from-
THE BIBLE!

If you don't like it let your arse return to whence it came. Me? I'll take men like the Hogg over your bleating soul, any day.

THIS (AMERICA) IS A CHRISTIAN NATION!...or more aptly put, sadly...was.
TIme to water the meadows of freedom..soon.

Good Lord, but I do love diesel discusssions!