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Getting colder and harder to start....
Sure, she's old and has 200,000 and some blowby.
Any tips on how to keep her starting as we pass through winter? This is central CA coast, by the way. And she parks on the street and block heater is unrealistic. thanks
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The main thing is that the glow plugs continue to heat up to about a minute.. so don't let the glow plug light going off cause you to rush the starter engagement....time it at 45 seconds and you may never have a problem....
But always try to make sure your battery posts and wire connections are in prime shape in the winter also... |
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Make sure the valves are adjusted properly. Also make sure the battery and starter are 100%. A little power service in your fuel will help and keep it from gelling. Make sure your injectors are 100% and your timing chain is not stretched to much, synthetic oil also helps.
So far I have started mine at 26 degrees without a block heater and she fired right up I didn't even let it glow any longer than normal. A diesel in good shape should have no problem in the winter. (within reason, for our far north and Alaska members ![]()
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My record is getting mine to start when it was -6 outside.....took 5 tries of 20 seconds of cranking and about 6 glow cycles, but it did it. Also that was before my timing chain replacement, valve adjustment, and running injector cleaner and so on. Was amazing
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My 81 wagon was my first MB... and first non intake heated air diesel ( Ford tractor )...
and this was before computer/internet/shopforum.... at 50 degree F my wagon did not want to start... even though everything else was fine.... and the Haynes manual does not mention this " continues to heat" tip.... That was when I broke out my MB manuals... as hard as they are to interpret and found that gem...no problems after that with starting... |
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Good advice here. The way I do this is that I have developed a (pre-trip) routine that takes about 30-40 seconds. After I turn on the key for glow, I get set in my seat and put on my seat belt, find my sunglasses, etc, etc. Adjust as needed for conditions of temperature and altitude.
The same issues are at play, all you can do is all you can do. Compression, clean injectors and filters, injection/cam timing, glow/preheat. If you have cronic cold start problems, check the compression first, low compression, park it till spring or sell it to the south. |
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I don't clearly understand this continuous glowing theory. Do you mean, after the light goes off, wait for up to 45 seconds before cranking?
Anyway, the lowest temperature we've experienced here was 21 F last week. I didn't plug in my car but it cranked perfectly the moment the light went off. ![]()
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If you want to see how long your glow plug system cycles, when cranking the car after dark, turn on your interior courtesy light
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I also rely on the dash mounted indicator lights getting brighter and that click to know the GP cycle is complete. On my '87 603 it seems to be about 45 seconds (I haven't timed it). It certainly is long after the GP light has gone off. I use a similar method with the '84 and that GP light goes out much sooner than the '87.
I just used the block heater for the first time and was extremely pleased with the results.
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"I don't clearly understand this continuous glowing theory. Do you mean, after the light goes off, wait for up to 45 seconds before cranking? "
Yes, that is what the MB FSM says to do for cold weather. Bruce , that must have been someone else... because I thought that the timer was for the light..... and that if left in the on position the glow plugs stayed on.... there must be something for turning them off based on some criteria because if they stay on due to carbon build up shorting them out the burn out... but I don't know enough about the system to say what controls that... |
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