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Old 06-16-2005, 01:24 AM
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It is a little upsetting that I went through the entire rebuild and the compressor craps out after 1.5 years. it was not a rebuilt It was brand new. But I wonder if the oil lube hole theory applied to this compressor.
I doubt it will make you feel any better, but the exact same thing happened to me when I owned the W123. Spent about $800. getting the system running properly at the indy including a new compressor and expansion valve and dryer.
System flushed properly.

It lasted two years and the compressor seized. Had to spend another $700. all over again at another indy.

First indy commented that they sometimes do not do so well because of the lack of lubrication due to their orientation. I wonder if the front plate position has something to do with this???
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Old 06-16-2005, 01:30 AM
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i am wondering about conversions for the 123s to anything other than the original delco. a more modern japanese compressor sounds attractive... any body know of a setup like that?

vintage air has a conversion plate to replace the old york compressors with a modern japanese one.
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Old 06-16-2005, 01:51 AM
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Hey Dave,
I was driving in Colleyville today without AC. Wow it was hot today. I was getting 4 white hubcaps at Don's place, and also an IP shutoff valve. My AC compressor is also seized, and the pulley is cracked. I'm trying to decide which way to go with the AC also. I don't know AC work, so will have to have someone do it. Ouch$$$
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Old 06-16-2005, 09:13 AM
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The "Black Death" sucks.
If you have R-12 you can flush the condenser. If you converted to 134A then the condenser should be replaced.

The reason is the R-12 condenser is a single pass while the 134 compressor is a multi-pass and usually will not flush properly.

If you keep having trouble you may want to consider an in-line filter.

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If Black Death has happened to your last compressor the MB AC FSM says the metal manifold at the compressor must be replaced.... that it is not flushable...

I do think that flushing the condensor should be done out of the car so that gravity can be neutralized by turning it around during the process...for larger particles....

I wonder if anyone is able to do an ' autopsy ' on siezed compressors ?

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Old 06-16-2005, 12:42 PM
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Once I remove the compressor I can determine if it was a black death or a bearing seize. I have a parallell flow condensor so I must replace it under the black death senario. Black death is usually a result of not removing the mineral oil and adding the ester oil for R134a.
My system was completely rebuilt with all new parts except the manifold hose. The old AC system was rebuilt due to an evaporator leak not a system failure. Every components was new except the manifold hose and it was completely flushed with mineral spirits and then AC flush.
Synthetic oil was used, the proper amount. The system was evacuated to 29 inches for 3 hours and R134a added. I did have a schrader valve fail and all the R134a was lost. I replaced the valves and added 2 oz of oil, that was the amount I "figured" I lost with the vavle failure, the system was evacuated again and R134a added. I did not replace the dryer. I kept some freon in the system by capping the schrader valve with the dirt cap and then when I had the new schrader valves I quickly installed them and evacuated the system right away so I felt the dryer was exposed to "air" just a longs as when you initially install the dryer.
So hopefully this is a bearing failure not the black death. Can't get to it today or tomorrow, Flying. So I'll find out Saturday.

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If Black Death has happened to your last compressor the MB AC FSM says the metal manifold at the compressor must be replaced.... that it is not flushable...

I do think that flushing the condenser should be done out of the car so that gravity can be neutralized by turning it around during the process...for larger particles....

I wonder if anyone is able to do an ' autopsy ' on seized compressors ?
I am aware of the manuals advisory about not flushing the manifold hose. I'm trying to figure out why? It is a very large diameter inner hose and if out of the car can be manipulated to flush quite easily. All the other components can be flushed but not this hose. Again, just trying to figure that one out. when I flushed mine I did not have any particles come out of the hose. Again the hose did not "require" flushing due to black death.

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I may have used the wrong words...or that crazy translation deal may have popped up... I do not think I am referring to an hose or hose end.. I think they meant a metal " manifold" next to the compressor...
However, I will check my AC manual as soon as I can..
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