RED diesel fuel at truck stop - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

RUYSENAARS · #16 10-26-2005, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by H-townbenzoboy

I've learned at this forum that red dyed diesel fuel is untaxed farm use fuel only, well today, I went to fuel up at a truck stop, and I noticed when filling up to the rim of the fuel tank that instead of the usual yellowish green color I get from other truck stops, this fuel was red. That means I probably have untaxed fuel in my tank, purchased from a truck stop, which I paid taxes for, or else this station treats their fuel with some red additive. Which do you believe, and has this happened to you?

-Joe

I just posted in another thread that I got the same thing in Lousiana, I think it is because we needed the fuel in a Natural disaster area! I wouldn't worry about it. What we don't really know won't hurt us, but we are probably getting taxed for it

H-townbenzoboy · #17 10-26-2005, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RUYSENAARS

I just posted in another thread that I got the same thing in Lousiana, I think it is because we needed the fuel in a Natural disaster area! I wouldn't worry about it. What we don't really know won't hurt us, but we are probably getting taxed for it

Yeah, we're getting taxed, but this is the good stuff here, what our engines really need.

Wes Bender · #18 10-28-2005, 11:51 AM

If I remember correctly, because of the temporary shortage the government allowed distributors to put dyed fuel into the motor vehicle pipeline, but they had to pay road tax on it when they did. You're probably in good shape, but as Jim Anderson recommends, keep the receipts.

Wes

GlennCraven · #19 10-28-2005, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jaoneill

that there has been some temporary relaxation of the rules concerning red juice due to the recent hurricanes. If it is any consulation, I doubt that your MB will notice the difference.

Jim

Yes, there has. How long it will last I don't know, but there are places selling this stuff for universal highway use due to the shortage of lower-sulfur types, and I doubt that you could get in trouble for it. ... Besides, how long will it be in your tank? A week? Ten days?

TNneil · #20 10-28-2005, 12:21 PM

I work for a tanker company..the road toax waiver is in effect here in TN until October 31, the dye is pretty strong stuff..like 8 ozs per 1000-1500 gallons...If you get it on you in its pure form, you wear it off. I would guess it will take a few weeks to get the color out of many tanks after the end of the month...

F18 · #21 10-28-2005, 10:54 PM

Well men....the way the federal law reads....any person operating a passenger or commercial vehicle that is not paying the "road tax" at the fuel pump is essentually tax evading and can be tried for tax evaision.
Think about it.... if you are operating a vehicle on anything other than taxed fuel on state and federal roads you are tax evaiding. That includes alternative fuels like WVO, virgin oil, electric batteries, solar and methane from pig poo....... The laws are so out of date and cannot realistically be inforced for passenger vehicles. The only worry regarding the use of high sulfur red dyed diesel would be passing the state emission tests if your state requires one like Massachusetts.
Cheers,

#22 10-28-2005, 11:09 PM

Restating that I "don't" run red fuel ever in my 300SD....

...now thats out of the way....it doesn't seem to smoke much more. I have a rough idle so it MIGHT add to it a bit but it smokes as much as pump diesel.

Suprisingly it works well in the engine desigened to use the higher sulfur fuels

We've talked about the tax evasion issue before...

boneheaddoctor · #23 10-28-2005, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by F18

Well men....the way the federal law reads....any person operating a passenger or commercial vehicle that is not paying the "road tax" at the fuel pump is essentually tax evading and can be tried for tax evaision.
Think about it.... if you are operating a vehicle on anything other than taxed fuel on state and federal roads you are tax evaiding. That includes alternative fuels like WVO, virgin oil, electric batteries, solar and methane from pig poo....... The laws are so out of date and cannot realistically be inforced for passenger vehicles. The only worry regarding the use of high sulfur red dyed diesel would be passing the state emission tests if your state requires one like Massachusetts.
Cheers,

heaven forbid the tax man not get his pound of flesh from everyone.....

#24 10-28-2005, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

heaven forbid the tax man not get his pound of flesh from everyone.....

Maybe if they used that pound of flesh to patch a pot-hole or two in our horrible Oregon roads...I might be more interested in giving up a pound.

(Though at 6'7" 150lbs I don't have much to offer

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boneheaddoctor · #25 10-28-2005, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Brandon314159

Maybe if they used that pound of flesh to patch a pot-hole or two in our horrible Oregon roads...I might be more interested in giving up a pound.

(Though at 6'7" 150lbs I don't have much to offer

)

At 5'11" and 220 lbs I have a few to spare but I prefer to keep every one of them until I am ready to lose them.

Meta6981 · #26 10-29-2005, 01:47 PM

Yup good stuff that Off Road diesel is. I have yet to run it in my car but when i was on the crew of a ship that ran two massive V-12 cummins, I woke up to the pleasent smell of highsulfur diesel exhaust. We would take on 500+ gallons of the stuff when we filled. Also even if you only have say one gallon off road diesel and the dip your tank and it shows they can charge you for the capacity of the vehicle not the amount you have.

BluEyes · #27 10-30-2005, 10:47 PM

Well, since it is the sulfur that our engines want, not the red dye, does anyone know of a way to make up a fuel additive? Could be added to road-taxed, legal pump fuel? Kinda like the lead additive for 60's gassers not designed for unleaded?
I mean, is this just plain ol' sulfur in the fuel like one could order from a chem supply company, or is it like the 'lead' in leaded gas that is actually tetraethyl lead and would need some more involved chemistry to make up...

dannym · #28 10-31-2005, 10:30 AM

adding oil or tranny fluid would be a lot easier than trying to find a sulfer additive.

Danny

BluEyes · #29 10-31-2005, 04:24 PM

But I thought it was the sulfur itself that our engines wanted? I don't think there's much of that in ATF or motor oil.
I guess I don't know what it is that the sulfur does in the engine. I have been assuming that it affects combustion somehow?

H-townbenzoboy · #30 11-01-2005, 01:14 AM

Anyone here ever heard of ATF causing injectors to coke up? Supposedly, Mercedes-Benz released a TSB about it years back warning people not to use ATF as a fuel additive.

-Joe

P.S. I thought I already posted this message earlier today. It was gone after I checked back.