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WHO SAID 100,000 miles...TRY A MILLION MILES WITHOUT A OIL CHANGE! Ok more like 400,000+ miles The only one full of B.S is YOU! SAD.. BUT THATS A FACT! Or YOU can prove me wrong! And I'll be THE IDIOT & A LYER! Please post 10 links "research papers" that say "BYPASS FILTERS DONT "...increase how long one can run oil WITHOUT ENGINE DAMAGE & that all that's needed is one do a oil analysis/filter changes & to replace the oil that's lost by the filter change to replenish oil additives. http://avt.inel.gov/pdf/oilbypass/oilfilter_qtr7_04.pdf
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Please people, we are (almost) all adults here. Lets stop the finger pointing and name calling.
...anyway. My main desire for a bypass filter is to get as much soot and sub 10micron junk as possible. yes, the OE filter has a bypass in it but it's not the ideal media. Some use cotton waste that is PURE cr@p and others use twine/string. Those are better but the TP filters are more dense and can get the sub 1micron junk out (soot). Most OEM's don't have one because it adds extra cost to the build, is a few more parts to stock and is one more filter to change during a service. Now, going 100K miles on the "same" oil is very excessive to save $90 a year. Changing 1Q oil in a 9Q system is NOT going to rplenish all the additives you need to go over 10,000 miles. 5,000 miles, mabye. |
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Most of the reason the Navy gets away with not changing the oil is that their equipment, in subs and ships is not run the same way as a car, truck, etc. There are very few cold start conditions that minimize the soot in the oil. Most of the soot comes from the start before the engine is up to temp and burning cleanly. They may start up the system, be it diesel, hydraulic, etc and it will run for a month or so. I usually shut off my engine to save fuel when I go into the store, let alone at work or at night.
I believe bypass filters have their place, and would love to put one in my vehicles, but I don't think the cost warrants the savings in the long run. I use John Deere Plus 50 oil in my pickups and tractors and change regularly. Never a problem there. The Benzes may get some this summer, but right now I have Wal-Mart 15-40 in them to do a couple quick changes and clean them as much as I can. Each to his own!
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Quote:...Now, going 100K miles on the "same" oil is very excessive to save $90 a year. Changing 1Q oil in a 9Q system is NOT going to rplenish all the additives you need to go over 10,000 miles. 5,000 miles, mabye
Let me help you take the blinders off...I change MY TP filters every 2000 miles (cost 50 cents) plus add a quart & half of oil . The extra 1/2 quart of is for the loss of oil due to the engine using it. I change the OE filter at 10,000 miles(need to add another quart) Total oil replenished in 10,000 miles = 8 1/2 quarts TP filter cost = $2.50 I don't need to jack up the car & crawl under it Plus MY oil filter changes take about 3mins. (total time in 10,000 15mins.)with far less mess & hassle. And the engine always has CLEAN OIL
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Very true. I would drive my diesel allot more if I could greatly reduce the damage caused by start up. With synthetic oil and a pre-luber I could drive this car for the rest of my life on the same engine (If my SVO system doesn't clog it with carbon that is ) If that does happened I plan to drop in a new MB crate motor and switching to bio-d, then I would be even more interested in the pre-luber. A new engine would go forever with these two pieces of technology. Still going to have to change the oil though.
Edit: it looks like the 10 amp light duty pump would fit our needs just fine for $498. If we can get a deal going let me know. This seems like a fairly high price for a simple piece of equipment. All that would be needed to make one for your self would be the adapters to the pressure sender and oil drain plug, and the timer which I'm sure a electronics expert could easily put together. I'll work on this more after I finish up my current project. Is there a better place to tap into than the pressure sender?
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I certainly believe the franz filter will allow you to go forever without changing oil, if as was mentioned above, the additives are being replentished.
The problem I see with adding this filter is purely its cost. Given that our engines already have a bypass filter built in, the most straight forward way to save money is to just extend the OCI. If you don't have EGR, and I suspect most of us don't, with decent fuel quality (cetane>45), and mostly highway miles, I doubt that you'll overload a diesel rated oil until you are pushing 40 or 50k miles. Please note I'm not talking about the 2% soot limit that has been thrown around this board. Modern synthetic diesel oils can handle 4 to 6% and still perform their function. Given that you're replacing oil when you change out the filter, and to top off, I think practically you would never overload the oil with soot, and never run out of additives either with the above conditions. I've been running 15kmiles oil and filter changes on my 83 300D using Mann filters and Mobil 1 T&SUV 5w40. I'm now going to 15kmile filter changes only and every 30kmiles I'll dump the oil. Many people on this board think I'll lose the engine but I seriously doubt it. Chances are the car will be taken off the road by something that has absolutely nothing to do with oil. Joe |
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I had a Gulf Coast Filters bypass filter on my now sold '80TD. Both of my oil analysis's said I had less than .75% soot after 12 K miles and there were no missing additives. I changed the toilet paper filter every 3K and the main filter after 10K. Only added what oil was need to keep the level in the "green" zone. You guys can talk all you want but there is only one proof- OA.
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What is a typical type of installation of Frantz/Gulfcoast filter on a Benz? What additional parts or modifications are needed? Thanks
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If the valve cover is too high for the drain, it's possible to install a port on the lower oil pan or tap a t-fitting into the oil seperator drain tube.
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