I have a finner with the turn-signals on the upper fenders near the doors. I believe pretty strongly that it is refered to as the "190Dc", although the emblem on the trunk lid is just "190D". I'm wondering what kind of engine my new beast has? It's a four-cylinder.

Also... , and this question might raise some chuckles in here...., but what would the possibilities be of trying to turbo-ize it? Totally crazy idea, or a possibility with a hell of a lot of tinkering and engineering calculations?

And lastly, does anybody know of some on-line resources for information on my engine-type. Used Benz manuals that I've priced seem to be SPENDY!

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http://www.heckflosse.nl/intro4.htm

That is a NICE resource on finnies Good luck with the car! I think most will discourage fitting a turbo to a non-turbo car

Best reason being: turbo engines are internally strengthened and have a better lubrication system that cools the pistons. Unless you wish to rip the driveline out and fit a 617 engine/transmission in there, I think you may be stuck with the factory engine.

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Dial 1(800) 222 0100 and ask the customer service agent for the telephone #
of your nearest dealer.
'call the service department and provide them with your V.I.N. ...They will give
you your engine type and serial number... assumning no one has replaced the
engine.

You do not want to "turboize" this engine... I.E. 1.Non-Nitrided crankshaft,
2. No provisions for "oil jets" to spray cooling oil onto AND into the underside
of the Pistons. 3. The pistons do not have the internal oil galleries that work
with the oil spray jets to keep the pistons cool.

I tried the dealership route as you suggested this morning, but they weren't able to help me. The indicated that it would be "a lot of legwork" to track that information down for them. One of the deals is that they >might< have the information if the car was sold through them originally, but I have very little history on the vehical as it came to me other than the Vin number and one of the PO's who had it before me. It's quite possible that the vehical might have been sold by them way back then, but I don't have any info to provide them other than the VIN numer. They didn't seem to want to suggest that I give them that info.

Maybe I'll try tracking down the official MB website for the USA and see if there is an internet method for requesting the serial-number for the engine.

Aside from all of that, is there not some diesel nerd/expert in here that would know the general type of four-cylinder diesel engine that came in the 110.110?

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The car should have a 1.9L OM621 engine.

Google is your friend.

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The engine is an OM621.912 engine, something like 1988 or 1998 cubic centimeters, though the letter designation is only 1900 cc. The model and serial number for the engine is located on a metal riveted plate on the block below the cylinder head, left side at the rear. The VIN, as you probably already know, is on the top of the radiator support next to the hood latch. When ordering the parts, you will need both the engine and chassis serial number. The engine may have been changed along the way somehow, so the serial number is a necessity.

The smaller letter "c" on the 190Dc stands for version c of the 190D model. The 190Db was the old pontoon body style. the 190Dc came out in 1961 and ran till around 1966, when the 200D replaced it with nearly the same body but other mechanical upgrades.

The dealer should still be able to look up parts on their EPC, and if they can't, they probably just don't care to mess with something that age.

Excellent. Thanks for filling me in on that info.

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Sounds like you have the OM 621 lump under the hood of your car. I've had a hard time finding on-line info, so I bit the bullet and bought some shop manuals. They're pricey, but worth every penny if you plan to build up an engine. As far as the turbo goes, do it! I'm sure there will be the nay-sayers, so prove 'em wrong and go for it. I'v got a OM621 on the stand right now being built for the same reason. With some odds and ends from some old Volvo's and a few OM617 parts, and a little custom fabricating, we'll see what happens. I'll let you know if anything breaks when I'm done.

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OK. Well you probably have more courage than I do. I'll be very interested to hear how it goes.

The extra oiling and cooling of the pistons sounds kind of critical in turbo-designed engines. I guess it depends a little on how much pressure boost you want to give it. Is there no commensurate addition of fuel with the extra air pressure that's added?

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