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Don't forget to mark the two drive shaft halves so you can re-align them if it comes apart. These cars are really easy to remove the engine from. You can even leave the hood on!
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Ok the more you guys post the better I feel about swapping engines.. I will have to get together with my buddies and see what they think. Anyother special tools I will need other then a hoist? Can you get the tranny out without having a hydraulic lift? Just floor jacks and jack stand?
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A good source of engines can be a real junker with a great engine if you can find one. That has been my favorite choice and most economical one usually over the years. The owners of those cars are usually happy to get what he junkyard would pay and you have other parts you may need or if not to sell. Many times because of that you land up with a free engine. If not make a little money on the deal. Also by the time you remove the engine from the junker all concerns about your ability to change engines will be gone.. Do you know which rod let go? Usually it is the number one on these engines. The other very important factor is on a junker you can talk to the owner of the engine. They usually can describe how it was and tell you about oil consumption milage etc. You also get to run and test it in the car. Not all people can evaluate a good from a bad diesel that own junk yards. Too many of their engines are boat anchors. Sorry it went this way for you. That rod should have quieted down when you opened that cylinders injector.. You were removing the force of combustion operation on it and that makes the knock quieter. Perhaps the other background noises were too loud to catch it. As I mentioned earlier things tend to reach a resolution on this site the vast majority of times.
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Rod #1 was the culprit. I just can't believe the knocking didn't stop in cylinder #1 when I removed fuel line. Oh well. Not something I could have prevented I don't think. Just bad luck and timing. I will keep everyone posted as to status of finding an engine and swapping them out.
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You should save the car I think too many 123s are being put down. Find a good running donor from either a 300d turbo or 240D and swap it out. It will be a good fun learning experience.
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Cheap multi-color model paint kit from the hobby store works well for color coding vacuum, electrics, linkages, etc - so you wont get lost on reassembly. Or use masking tape to label fiddly bit connections. And it pays to loosely reinstall nuts'n bolts or stash em with components when they've been pulled. The easiest part will be hoisting the engine out and in. Roughest part is probly lining up the driveshaft (if you pull the tranny). Personally I've never had a problem pulling engines and leaving the tranny in the car. This is an impossibility with the 300D - but like I've said you can lean over the 240D fender to reach the bell housing bolts. Everybody here swearin you've got to pull the engine and tranny as a unit is talkin about the 300, not the 240D. Think on it as 3 part project: 1) Disconnect the existing engine. 2) Pull it and drop the new one in place . 3) Connect the new engine. I recommend working excruciatingly slow and doing most of the dissassembly work yourself to learn the engine. And then call in the troops when you're ready with the hoist and have new replacement engine on location. And plan on having one helluva terrific weekend with an excellent enjoyable project! (edit: I know Vince and you can haggle with him. First get a price on the complete replacement engine and then call him back a couple days later negotiating a lower price, say using your own starter and alternator and engine components. Basically throw your blown engine as core into the hopper as part of the deal. The cyl head, camshaft, flywheel, injector lines and fiddly bits will be worth something to him. And Vince Layton is a decent honest fellow. If he says he's got a good replacement engine then you can take that to the bank. Last edited by 300SDog; 01-01-2007 at 08:32 PM. |
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It is not impossible to pull the engine and leave the tranny in the 300d. (see pic of my motor I am installing) I did it and quite honestly it was not bad.
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Ok I just got back in from looking under the hood again. I have that feeling again that I am overwhelmed with the engine swap idea. If I do this I will have to a lot of help from my buddies and from you guys on the forum. I guess I will start by taking a ton of pictures and labeling everything. I will also make the call on the engine and see what the intial asking price is. I will keep you all posted what I decide. Also I notice other little problems with this car every time I go out and look at it agian. Most of them are small problems but if I am going to make the $$ and time investment then all of these need to be addressed as well. The vacuum system to the interior of the car has been plugged so the door lock do not function. Add that to the list of things to fix.
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I had a leveler when I got my engine out of my '85 and I still had to fight the urge to grab the oxy torch and cut that cross memeber out of the way.
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240D with the turbo engine is the best of both worlds, powerfull and simple.
You can do it. I did one for my first engine swap.
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Insanespiv.
There is a used 240 engine available here: http://www.msdra.com/mercedesparts.htm Almost all the way at the bottom of the page, it is in the "Misc. stuff in no apparent order (sorry!)" section. No price is posted. Louis.
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