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That is correct, the first update just added the 4 Torx screws. Old pumps without the screws would sometimes leak oil as the crimps loosened over time. The screws helped cure that problem.
The second, more important, problem was with the open bearings... that was fixed later. I have no idea what the dates are for either change though. ![]() |
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Any idea on when the change was made to the later improvements?
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Well,the pump on the first picture shows the Pierburg number 7.20607.67.0 and the MB corresp.number ...it has no hex screws...according to the links below from Kolbenschmidt-Pierburg,there is only one number between PB 7.20607.67.0 and the now valid 7.20607.74.0 and oddly enough it is PB 7.20607.75.0 !!!
![]() So we`ve got: 1. 7.20607.67.0 with no torx screws and open bearing(last in line of the "old pumps"!!) 2. 7.20607.75.0 with torx screws and open bearing("semi-new") and finally and bit confusing -the new PB number that replaces all previous: 3. 7.20607.74.0 with torxes and sealed bearing. So if your pump hasn`t got the "74",most probably it has the naked bearing... No info as to when the changes took place... http://www.msi-motor-service.com/download/pg_gesamtkatalog/data/pg_zz01_refoeksnr_web.pdf http://www.msi-motor-service.com/download/pg_gesamtkatalog/data/pg_zz02_oldref_web.pdf http://www.msi-motor-service.com/download/pg_gesamtkatalog/data/pg_aa02_vp_web.pdf http://www.msi-motor-service.com/ximages/pg_si_0025_en_web.pdf |
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Thanks for the info!
Thanks great to know!
I have a 1987 300D Turbo which I haven't driven all Winter...and I won't until I replace the vacuum pump...Thanks again. The Tenor Man |
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Interesting, so it seems the only way to know for sure is to yank the pump and take a look.
Brian, do you think we should merge this thread with my older vacuum pump thread? To keep the info all in one spot. According to my records the pump I bought from the dealer on October 10, 2004 is 000-230-31-65, I would assume this is the latest and greatest design. Its been over two years but if my memory serves me the bearings are covered.
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Does anyone have a picture of a failed pump? What actually breaks?
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I see defective bearings. Not bad pump design!
The failure I see in the previous post is caused by defective bearings and not a bad pump design. The bearing should not fail in this way and I suggest that this entire bad pump design is really a result of some significant number of bad bearings getting built into these pumps. So if you have the newer pump with the screws, you should not worry because the bearings should be good. The bearing manufacturer is the one to blame, not the pump designer.
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What's a 7.20607.24 have inside? The MB number appears to be 000 230 31 63. It's hard to read on the case, but I think that's the right number. This is in a 606.
In the "old->new" chart at: http://www.msi-motor-service.com/download/pg_gesamtkatalog/data/pg_zz02_oldref_web.pdf, it shows this number as old, with .74.0 as new. Does this mean that the part is the same, or that the .24 should be replaced with a .74? |
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Hi everyone, just signed up to this very resourceful forum to share some infos regarding vacuum pump.
I have a korean 4WD (Ssangyong Musso) with a MB licensed copy of the 602 as the power unit. (Can't afford the original stuff yet ![]() ![]() Quote:
Taking the rear cover of the pump off reveals only the back of the piston in the pump. Taking the pump off the timing case is relatively easy, I removed the tensioner and guide pulley to get some room. Unfortunately my vacuum pump failed (new bearing style, original Pierburg pump) due to a worn roller/timing gear surface, breaking the pump shaft at 195 000km. (can post some nasty pic's on request, from the pump that is ![]() Has that ever happend to anyone on a (orig.) 60* Merc. engine? I heard that this pump can fail too because the screw holding the piston to the roller shaft gets loose, causing too much stress to the bolt, which than breaks. MB changed the whole design to a rotary pump in later models. I'm in the middle of replacing the pump, timing gear, chain and guides, tensioner and a few other bits. Kind greetings from Australia, Kay Last edited by stt602; 04-24-2007 at 10:56 PM. |
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Interesting, I have not heard of one of the updated pumps failing in such a manner. But I am sure some do...
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I'm still a bit clueless (like usual) on what has caused the failure. The roller on the vacuum pump lost about 4mm of its diameter and worked its way into the timing gear.
I appears that the roller of the pump locks up (at least intermittently). Whether or not that is caused by a bad timing gear (made in Korea), too high rpm's of the turbocharged engine or just poor maintenance of the previous owner or a combination of things, I can't tell. It is not a common failure on the Musso's, but looking into the issue for some time, it seems to happen more often than a failure of the timing chain. |
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Well its not a common problem in the US, heck a lot of the old exposed bearing pumps have hundreds of thousands of miles on them. I am trying to think and I cannot think of a new pump failure off the top of my head. I know of 617's that have failed, but no 602/3/6's.
I know those engines are copy's of Mercedes, but how exact are they? Did they use all the same materials? I guess thats the queston, if one wanted to order a crate engine from Mercedes it would be north of $10k US, so did the Koreans cut corners to keep costs down?
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Anyway, here a link to the updated rotary vane vacuum pump, which is not interchangeable with the piston style pump (has an oil feed and different adaption to the timing gear). |
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More Info on the Semi-New Style Vacuum Pump
I saw on Ebay a seller for the semi-new style vacuum pump. It has the four torx screws on the front cover, but with the exposed ball bearings. It came from a 1993 300SD with #002302965, and according to the seller the 3rd version of this pump. So for owners of diesels with the 601, 602, and 603 engines that use this type of vacuum pump, exterior appearance cannot ensure that it is the "safe" kind.
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