Fossil Free Fuel Shop Grand Opening - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

veganxxx · #1 04-26-2007, 12:27 AM

Our new shop is having an opening party April 30th from 6-9pm.

223 Braddock Ave
Braddock, PA 15104

Free food and drinks!
412 894 8184

pawoSD · #2 04-26-2007, 08:17 AM

Why is there nothing like that in Michigan. We only have like 20 Biodiesel pumps in the entire state. Only 3 of them are in this city, and they're all over 10-12 miles away from where I live.

jshadows · #3 04-26-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

Why is there nothing like that in Michigan. We only have like 20 Biodiesel pumps in the entire state. Only 3 of them are in this city, and they're all over 10-12 miles away from where I live.

20? 3 in your city? we only have 2 in the entire state and no sign of anything new opening up. I'd burn 1/2 tank just to get to one.

#4 04-26-2007, 10:25 AM

There's B100 about 1/4 mile from the house & a B20 pump on the way. But the E85 stations in Colorado consistently get press coverage while bd gets zero. Politics at its best.

#5 04-26-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by daleearl

There's B100 about 1/4 mile from the house & a B20 pump on the way. But the E85 stations in Colorado consistently get press coverage while bd gets zero. Politics at its best.

Yup, BD is definitely not in the mainstream here. I still have very mixed feelings about the whole thing. It's about the same price as petro diesel, MB has not endorsed it above B5, and some pretty credible folks are claiming that BD from soy is actually worse than petro diesel from a energy balance/ carbon balance/ environmental point of view. BTW, E85 has all the same issues. I know it "sounds" green, but I just don't see any up-side.

Jim Wickham · #6 04-26-2007, 01:33 PM

The only "green" BD is the stuff that is made from recycled or WVO by the home brewers, all of the guys buying it at the pump are fooling themselves. Some sources say that 1.4 energy units are expended for every 1 unit produced when working with Virgin Oil. Not to mention the time put into tilling/planting/harvesting the crop. Ethanol is the same way only worse. Some of the universities are researching ways to make ethanol and biodiesel from a larger amount of the biomass in the plants rather than just the seeds. When politics and big money corn growers get out of the way the research will show that bio-digesters working with Grass crops will produce a much more "green friendly" fuel.

The only reason homebrewers are making a "green" fuel is because they are using a product that has already been used for some other purpose. The recylcing aspect of it is what makes it a viable venture.

Just my $.02

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Originally Posted by Craig

Yup, BD is definitely not in the mainstream here. I still have very mixed feelings about the whole thing. It's about the same price as petro diesel, MB has not endorsed it above B5, and some pretty credible folks are claiming that BD from soy is actually worse than petro diesel from a energy balance/ carbon balance/ environmental point of view. BTW, E85 has all the same issues. I know it "sounds" green, but I just don't see any up-side.

rrgrassi · #7 04-26-2007, 10:34 AM

There is nothing close to me in Greenville TX.

dukegrad98 · #8 04-26-2007, 10:51 AM

I'm aware of two B100 pumps within five miles of downtown Houston. It's all I run right now.

Cheers, John

Jim Wickham · #9 04-26-2007, 04:57 PM

Like I said Politicians and Big Corn growers (who have less lobby power than big oil but are still powerful) vs. educational institutions.

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/July05/ethanol.toocostly.ssl.html

I guess it depends on where you would put your faith.

I may have mis-read that study you put up but it seems to mention the energy in the Meal, although the energy exists I don't know of any comercial biodiesel producers that are using a process that gets biodiesel from anything other than the oil pressed from the seeds, but I've been wrong before and I'm sure I will be again.

Dinner time on the right coast, I'm outta this joint.

DieselDoc1217 · #10 04-26-2007, 08:07 PM

Hey I heard through the grapevine that you guys were opening up.

I am in Oakland taking classes at Pitt.

I'll be there on the 30th! Glad to hear about you guys

-Pat

holthoff · #11 04-26-2007, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Wickham

Like I said Politicians and Big Corn growers (who have less lobby power than big oil but are still powerful) vs. educational institutions.

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/July05/ethanol.toocostly.ssl.html

I guess it depends on where you would put your faith.

I may have mis-read that study you put up but it seems to mention the energy in the Meal, although the energy exists I don't know of any comercial biodiesel producers that are using a process that gets biodiesel from anything other than the oil pressed from the seeds, but I've been wrong before and I'm sure I will be again.

Dinner time on the right coast, I'm outta this joint.

And you can still find scientists claiming that human activity has no relationship to global warming. But, as with global warming, the vast majority of studies in this case come to a similar conclusion, that biodiesel production creates a signifcant net energy gain.