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Old 06-29-2007, 09:34 PM
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Confirm this: AUX pump makes monovalve work better

While searching for CCU posts I found a comment that the monovalve doesn't work properly. My aux pump seems to be seized up... so I would like to know whether everyone disagrees with this.

I shut down the car and ran a + and - jumper from the battery straight from the aux pump, not even a sound, felt it, no vibrations or anything.

I think my monovalve isn't working correctly. When I remove it from the system and hook it straight to the battery the piston VERY SLOWLY moves out just a tiny bit. I tried moving around the casing around the electro magnet and when I did that it did come most of the way out, but VERY slowly. There was no *CLICK* like people say you should hear.
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Old 06-29-2007, 09:39 PM
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I believe the monovalve is not designed to work on a straight 12volts. There is some modulation of the current that activates the valve. Someone else might confirm this.
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Old 06-29-2007, 09:42 PM
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There is some relationship between the pump and the monovalve. It has to do with the CCU in some fashion.

When the pump draws too much current, the CCU does some funny things with the monovalve.

I had replaced the pump with an aftermarket unit, and, within six months, the monovalve started making quite a racket........very loud cycling. Disconnect the pump and the monovalve returns to it's normal function.

What's going on inside the CCU is certainly a mystery.
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Old 06-29-2007, 09:46 PM
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What's going on inside the CCU is certainly a mystery.
That's for sure.

We posted at the same time, but shouldn't the monovalve cycle correctly when he jumpers 12V directly to it?
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Old 06-29-2007, 09:49 PM
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That's for sure.

We posted at the same time, but shouldn't the monovalve cycle correctly when he jumpers 12V directly to it?
I don't think so. When I put a multimeter on my functioning monovalve, I did not get a 12volt reading. It jumped around.
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Old 06-29-2007, 09:58 PM
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I don't think so. When I put a multimeter on my functioning monovalve, I did not get a 12volt reading. It jumped around.
Did you measure the voltage across the connections while it was connected to the CCU cable, I've never tried that?

I thought it saw a full 12V, but was cycled open and closed by the CCU to maintain the correct temperature, resulting an a "pulse" to the monovalve. I may be wrong. As Brian said, the CCU is magic.

As I recall, I've directly connected 12V across the monovalve contacts (unplugged) and heard a distinct click when it changed position. I would not necessarily recommend that, I'm not really sure the valve is designed for a full 12V.
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Old 06-29-2007, 09:59 PM
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I actually disconnected my aux pump weeks ago because I suspected disconnecting it might reduce the amount of heat that gets pumped into my cabin when I run the AC.. it didn't work, but I saw no reason to hook it back up. My CCU has already has some resoldering done to it.. Someone replace a whole trace with solder, that's probably the one that the aux pump already burned up once There are signs of A LOT of heat on the board, but all the solders look to be in good condition. I already bought and replaced a monovalve, because the gasket on my old one was pretty much ripped off. Does a rebuild kit include the magnet coil? That's what I suspect to be the problem.

This would be a last resort, but does anyone see any problems with just installing a twist valve and shutting down the heater loop during the summer?
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Old 06-29-2007, 11:15 PM
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We posted at the same time, but shouldn't the monovalve cycle correctly when he jumpers 12V directly to it?
Yes. The monovalve operates on system voltage. When the CCU is in the "Off" mode, it provides a "hard wired" ground path so that the monovalve remains closed. In the "Defrost" mode, the ground path is broken so that the monovalve remains fully open. In the other three modes, the ground path (and therefore the monovalve) is controlled by the Electronic Unit for Temperature Control, a solid state device separate from the CCU.
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Old 06-29-2007, 11:43 PM
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Yes. The monovalve operates on system voltage. When the CCU is in the "Off" mode, it provides a "hard wired" ground path so that the monovalve remains closed. In the "Defrost" mode, the ground path is broken so that the monovalve remains fully open. In the other three modes, the ground path (and therefore the monovalve) is controlled by the Electronic Unit for Temperature Control, a solid state device separate from the CCU.
can you tell us more about the EUTC? Where is it located? Do you have pictures? Where does it get the data to decide what to do with the monovalve?
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Old 06-29-2007, 09:43 PM
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The aux pump does not directly affect the operation of the monovalve, it simply circulates more coolant to the heater core to give you decent heat at an idle. From what you've described, it sounds like your monovalve is the problem (try a rebuild kit). However, that does not rule out additional problems, including the push button unit. A seized aux pump can also cause damage to the push button unit, so you should either replace it or unplug it.
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Old 06-30-2007, 02:42 PM
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if I rev the engine and the pressure on my low side drops, is that proof enough that my compressor is working?
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Old 06-30-2007, 02:49 PM
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if I rev the engine and the pressure on my low side drops, is that proof enough that my compressor is working?
That's a pretty good sign.
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:49 PM
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I just called autozone, they have a kit with a HP hose and gauge, a LP hose a gauge and a fill hose... 39 bucks, good deal?
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:49 PM
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I have R134a
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NAPA has a R-134 gauge set on sale for $39.95. Looks just the Autozone one, though.

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