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Old 08-03-2007, 01:11 PM
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Question how can i increase my boost 300td

is there an easy way 2 get more out of my stock turbo?
i'm looking 4 a good boost gauge as well any sugestions.

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Old 08-03-2007, 01:29 PM
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go to autozone and get an autometer boost gauge if you don't want to wait for one to ship from online.

I recommend one that is 1-15 psi as it will be more accurate than one that goes to 30psi

to adjust boost identify your turbo



before you adjust make sure you have a boost gauge installed
then tell us what you have


the KKK takes a 10mm socket and a 5mm allen key... loosen the bolt.. then screw in the allen bolt to increase boost.. tighten the bolt down when done


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Garrett Turbochargers

If you have a Garrett turbocharger (w/ wastegate adjustment inside cover), removing the cover takes some time and perserverance. It is not particularly difficult, just tedious. Make sure that the turbo area is cool (use a fan between adjustments) and when re-installing the spring, "squeeze" it to reduce its diameter before inserting. Then, with a screwdriver push on the flat part of the spring until it seats.



KKK Turbocharger

If you have a KKK turbo, the adjusting screw sticks right out of the top (sideways on engine) of the wastegate chamber and does not require removal of a cap.

Caveats

Remember both of these turbos are capable of over 40 pounds per square inch of boost and they run against an open wastegate all the time so these adjustments are really critical. Don't get carried away or you are going to buy a motor. However, please note that it is hard to get a tremendous amount of boost (i.e., well beyond safe ranges) from an original 617 turbo now that the cars have a few years on them now and the springs are fatigued somewhat. Still, confidently proceed with caution.

If you have an exhaust temp gauge in-line you can carry the boost procedure a little further, but even at 0.9 bar (upper limit of factory specifications) they just fly.

Preliminary steps necessary before adjusting wastegate valve spring tension

Prior to adjusting the wastegate valve spring tension, there are two necessary preliminary steps that need to be taken:

1. The first step is to ensure that the injection pump is timed correctly. This procedure is described on the following web page:
2. Checking the boost sensing lines and overboost sensing switch is the next step in this process and is described on the following webpage:
3. After successful completion of the above two steps, you are now ready to adjust the wastegate valve spring tension (i.e., boost adjustment).

Tools needed for adjusting wastegate valve spring tension on turbocharger

1. High quality vacuum/pressure gauge (needed for checking boost pressure only)
2. "T" fitting for vacuum gauge and 6 - 8 foot length of vacuum hose for monitoring boost pressure while driving vehicle (needed for checking boost pressure only)
3. Phillips screwdriver
4. 10 mm socket and 1/4" drive ratchet and extension for removing air horn
5. Pliers for removing sensor hose clamps at turbocharger
6. Small mirror for clarity during cover removal
7. High powered flashlight or shoplight

Instructions

1. Remove the u-shaped air intake and the intake to the air cleaner. Make sure to re-install before testing boost pressure.
2. Cool the turbo area with fan.
3. Spray the cap cover "spring" area with Liquid Wrench or other similar solvent.
4. Using a couple of small screwdrivers (a very thin bladed 5-8" shafted one is great), "spin" the spring around until it starts popping out.
5. Pull out the spring with needlenose pliers or fingers.
6. Remove wastegate valve cover. Be careful not to damage the rubber seal behind cap (but attached to body of turbocharger) when removing. There will likely be a small quantity of oil that will leak out when the cover is removed; this is normal � not a problem.
7. Completely remove locknut on wastegate valve.
8. Make a note of measured length of exposed threads on valve.
9. Turn spring assembly (it has flat, thin edges for wrench) clockwise. Begin with 3 full turns - it sounds like too much, but it isn't! If our approximations are
correct, for every 1/8" of threads exposed (by screwing spring assembly in),
this equates to 0.15-0.20 bar of boost.
10. Reverse disassembly procedure. To reinstall spring as easy as possible:

1. Make sure that you've thoroughly cleaned the groove where the spring
resides.
2. Make sure that the spring is thoroughly clean.
3. Lightly file or grind the flat side of the spring at each end so that it's
shiny. This enables you to manuever better when inserting 'cause shiny end
shows.
4. Make sure that rubber gasket is firmly seated before replacing cover.
5. Compress spring with fingers to reduce diameter when placing in groove.
And, push cover hard simultaneously.
6. Then, push spring with biggest screwdriver that you can use. Tap
screwdriver with rubber hammer. You should "feel" spring seat.
7. Do this only on fan-cooled turbo area.

1. Road test using these guidelines: having the boost gauge in the car, start driving a fully warmed up motor and engage "S" and go up to 4,000 rpm and full throttle, read the boost. Good luck and hold on to your hat.
2. If further adjustment is needed, cool turbo area with fan.
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Old 08-03-2007, 01:37 PM
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wow! that was amazingly helpful. this is my first day on the forum. already can say great people, great forum. thanks a lot.
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Old 08-03-2007, 01:39 PM
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Get a boost controller, much easier. DO NOT GO OVER 13.5 PSI WITHOUT AN IC
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Old 08-03-2007, 02:54 PM
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how does a boost controler work? does anyone know what the stock boost limit is w/ garret t3
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Old 08-03-2007, 02:57 PM
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stock boost is If I remember correctly is 11 psi


a boost controller is what I believe to be spring with a bearing blocking the passage to the wastegate actuator.. which can be set to different tensions and upping the pressure before the wastegate actuates.

I have a KKK turbo so adjusting is easy ..

did you figure out what you have yet?
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Old 08-03-2007, 03:03 PM
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i have the garret unfortunatly
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Old 08-03-2007, 03:06 PM
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did you figure out what you have yet?
Like Don says dont do anything without a boost gauge.
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Old 08-03-2007, 03:08 PM
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i have the garret unfortunatly
I guess a boost controller is for you.. just make sure you install a boost gauge before doing anything

Also read up on Banjo Bolt cleaning and ALDA adjusting..
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Old 08-03-2007, 03:17 PM
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does anyone else have a 123 coupe? it seems like it may be rare since i dont see anyone with 1 listed.
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Old 08-03-2007, 03:22 PM
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does anyone else have a 123 coupe? it seems like it may be rare since i dont see anyone with 1 listed.
They are not that rare, plenty ppl on here have one. I personally prefer the sedan, the difference is negligible and I have a baby seat to deal with. 300CD and 300SD were US market only.
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Old 08-03-2007, 03:32 PM
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does anyone else have a 123 coupe? it seems like it may be rare since i dont see anyone with 1 listed.
I know at least 4 people locally with one... and 1 gasser 280CE...

not that rare but the diesel coupe(turbo and non turbo model) are a US Market only car
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Old 08-03-2007, 05:09 PM
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thats why i couldn't find euro headlights 4 it. i had to make one's from an s class fit. thanks 4 the info.
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Old 08-03-2007, 06:15 PM
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thats why i couldn't find euro headlights 4 it. i had to make one's from an s class fit. thanks 4 the info.
You got euros from a 126 or 116 to fit? Pics?
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Old 08-03-2007, 06:57 PM
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hear it is with the euro headlights


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