The thing is that I have never been a fan of any Chrysler and certainly nothing Italian that is on four wheels. I've had horrible experiences with both, though nothing recent that was Italian. I guess I just need to tone it down a little since it sounds like bashing to those of you who actually own one.
Maybe I would have been a little more enthusiastic if the Liberty had a Mercedes engine in it.
My apologies.

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84 300D Turbodiesel 190K with 4 speed manual sold in 03/2012

I get 34mpg on highway with my ancient OM616 turbo in the Gurkha, that too on a all steel non aerodynamic body, not bad considering its just a mechanical pump with no fancy ECU or controls.

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99 Gurkha with OM616 IDI turbo

2015 Gurkha with OM616 DI turbo

2014 Rexton W with OM612 VGT

Oh you don't have to apologize or anything ... I'm not horribly offended (Bronson might have hurt feelings, though ...). I just get tired of having to tell people it doesn't get 11 mpg. We all have our preferences and it's no big deal to voice them .. it's just that certain vehicles seem to get an unnecessary amount of vitriol shot toward them (it's not like you're the only one doing it ... it seems each vehicle or type of vehicle has its own anti-club) and my little Jeep is one of them.

That said I've got no beef with some humor and jesting .. after all, I have a window sticker on my CRD that says "Real cars don't have spark plugs" ... (despite the many fine vehicles available that do the Otto cycle bit).

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1987 300D, arctic white/palomino--314,000 miles
1978 240D 4-speed, Euro Delivery, light ivory/bamboo--370,000 miles
2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Limited, light khaki/slate--140,000 miles
2018 Chevy Cruze diesel, 6-speed manual, satin steel metallic/kalahari--19,000 miles
1982 Peugeot 505 diesel, 4-speed manual, blue/blue, 130,000 miles
1995 S320, black/parchment--34,000 miles (Dad's car)

Well, the Jeep CRD is a "modern" vehicle, at least it was in 2005 -- I haven't put it through the winter yet, but it has a smarter glow system than my old 240Dinosaur. And diesel is way cheaper than gas, at least for me....

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'83 240D with 617.952 and 2.88
'01 VW Beetle TDI
'05 Jeep Liberty CRD
'89 Toyota 4x4, needs 2L-T
'78 280Z with L28ET - 12.86@110
Oil Burner Kartel #35

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1...oD/bioclip.jpg

I'm holding out hope for a Wrangler Unlimited CRD. I think I'm starting to get blue in the face.

Edit: Bummer on the Grand Cherokee CRD-Only available in 42 states-CT, CA, MA, ME, PA, RI and VT are excluded. Have to go buy one in NH, drive it 7500 miles and then register it here

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1980 300TD-China Blue/Blue MBTex-2nd Owner, 107K (Alt Blau) OBK #15
'06 Chevy Tahoe Z71 (for the wife & 4 kids, current mule) '03 Honda Odyssey (son #1's ride, reluctantly) '99 GMC Suburban (255K+ miles, semi-retired mule) 21' SeaRay Seville (summer escape pod)

VM are not bad engines,they are available in Europe to any manufacturer who does not have a proper engine to sell in EU market: KIA,Hyundai,MAZDA,CHRYSLER...my brother got about 300000 km from a Chrysler"Voyager"/Town Country,that he bought new in Austria in 1999 with a VM motori and stick shift!,went thru 2 heads and the third one cracked,so,got a new Kia van with a update VM motori engine.People have to remember that all cars are driven there,on daily basis, at maximum RPM,100-110mph/160-180kmh,maybe more,every single day,maybe that has something to do with the cracked heads and low engine life...,from my personal experience,I had a Opel diesel,rental,this summer,in Germany,and it was dangerous driving at 140-160km/h.I was proud driving close to max speed for that car and some guy flew by me so fast,I could not recognize what brand of vehicle he was driving.

^^^^ Sounds like Mercedes isn't the only diesel engine manufacturer to have issues with aluminum heads crackng then....

Interesting bit about VM Motori being a common supplier in Europe, the 2.8L seems to be a good engine. I don't know much about the engine specifically. I heard mention that it's a wet slug design that makes it extremely straightforward to rebuild, and it can get 300k before needing it.

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'83 240D with 617.952 and 2.88
'01 VW Beetle TDI
'05 Jeep Liberty CRD
'89 Toyota 4x4, needs 2L-T
'78 280Z with L28ET - 12.86@110
Oil Burner Kartel #35

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1...oD/bioclip.jpg

Whats with the 7,500 miles?? Does it need to have that many to be "used"?? And don't get me started on the diesel bit not being sold in certain states.... we never even had VW diesels in Maine, let alone all the other cars. Maybe the New mercedes with the blutec, but I know I have to go to NH for a new diesel car.

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1985 300D Mango Green with 16" Pentas, Vogtland springs, Euros/ clear corners, 234k, lots to come soon....

The reason I didn't buy a Liberty CRD is simple economics. I wanted to buy one with my dad's employee discount, and the dealer wouldn't sell it to me for that price. So, I told them that they lost the sale, and they didn't seem to care.

Good luck with your Honda. Mine's not been so "Honda" esque.
Fuel pump, two axles, ball joints, clutch master cylinder, clutch, blower knob, water leak, exhaust manifold, ac relay, numerous interior parts.

The expected parts: dizzy cap, wires, plugs, timing belt, brakes, tires, fuel filter, air filter, wiper blades, headlights,

Currently needs another axle, timing belt, more tires, another set of ball joints on the right side and some body work.

All this and only 160k miles. I'm sure I'm missing things in there. But, it does get 34 mpg, and doesn't burn oil.

Aw crap! When did RI get on the retard bandwagon and not allow new diesels? I didn't hear about it.... RT

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When all else fails, vote from the rooftops!
84' Mercedes Benz 300D Anthracite/black, 171K
03' Volkswagen Jetta TDI blue/black, 93K
93' Chevrolet C2500HD ExCab 6.5TD, Two-tone blue, 252K

I think it was about six months ago. PA took the dive too. I'm not under the delusion that diesel is perfect, but I really, really want to see the scientific, logical data on which these states base their decision (especially California). If there's an actual statistic that points to modern diesels (i.e. BLUETEC) as more offensive than gas counterparts, I'm willing to be open-minded about it. But I have never heard anything other than glowing reports on the technology, and it seems to be embraced in Europe. I know sometimes it's a case of "pick your posion" in terms of what gassers and diesels emit, but the BLUETEC and SCR technologies, from all I've read, are the cleanest thing on the road when you look at the general picture (well, among currently practicable technologies). Of course, everything I've read has been from the manufacturers themselves or from others who advocate it. I'd be interested to hear the "other side" ... but curiously, the other side never has anything to say or show. In my opinion, if you're going to shirk a potentially earth-friendly technology, you'd better offer a reason. A real reason.

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1987 300D, arctic white/palomino--314,000 miles
1978 240D 4-speed, Euro Delivery, light ivory/bamboo--370,000 miles
2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Limited, light khaki/slate--140,000 miles
2018 Chevy Cruze diesel, 6-speed manual, satin steel metallic/kalahari--19,000 miles
1982 Peugeot 505 diesel, 4-speed manual, blue/blue, 130,000 miles
1995 S320, black/parchment--34,000 miles (Dad's car)

I bought a set of axles for my 6.9 from the gentleman who used to run Atlanta-Stuttgart, He turned up with one of these liberty Diesels.
He said that it has 140hp and more then 300ft/lbs of torque and does 28mpg around the city. Pretty impressive if you ask me.

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With best regards

Al