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sixto 09-23-2008 04:43 PM

It won't hold pressure with your foot on the pedal or it won't hold pressure with a pressure bleeder? If it won't hold pressure with a pressure bleeder, you have a leak! Make sure the brake booster isn't filling with brake fluid.

Sixto
87 300D

Chad300tdt 09-23-2008 04:48 PM

I second that. If your booster fills with too much brake fluid it will get into your engine oil and you'll need to change the oil too.

Brake fluid in the booster can also deteriorate the booster bellows/baffles (whatever they're called).

I used a fluid extractor to suck the fluid from mine and sprayed brake cleaner inside it and sucked that out, then used an air compressor to flow air into it to dry it. It's been about 1000 miles since I did that with no booster issues. Hopefully I'm in the clear.:)

whunter 09-23-2008 05:06 PM

Answers:
 
TYPICAL 'RUBBER' BRAKE HOSE FAILURES
Click the picture to really see the failure.
http://www.cebcobrakes.com.au/html/s02_article/article_view.asp?id=117&nav_cat_id=137&nav_top_id=61&dsa=1

Incredible data, a must read.
Brakes FAQ Home Volvo Maintenance FAQ for 7xx/9xx/90 Cars
http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/faq/Brakes.html

Counter Pro Online Training Course: Brake Basics
http://www.raybestos.com/OnLineTraining/cpt-005.htm

Brakes caught fire 1999 C280 (with pictures of damage)
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=208962

Tell my dad my tire is on fire! :eek:
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=105730

gruesome 617 engine pics - don't look if you have a weak stomach
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=147821

Industry Adopts Brake Fluid Replacement Guidelines By Bill Williams, Technical Contributor
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/bf/bf50412.htm

Brake flush every two years?! U'r kidding right?
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=96852&page=1&pp=15

Why should I flush my brake fluid every year, you ask?
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=220599

Brake bleeder recommendation
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=455818

Power Bleeder or what?
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=707359

Brake bleeder - power bleeder Homemade
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=117258

WARPED ROTORS
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=1105426

Is it bad to just replace one brake rotor...
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=1029208

New disks old pads
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=888590

brake problems- I really, really, dislike brake work!
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=184248

Frau Frankenbenz not stopping on a dime
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=1059782

Eaten alive! My brakes that is...
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=666235

How long do your brake pads last?
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=227992

Weak brakes, but good pedal feel.
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=993172

Brake bleed disaster
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=396205

Disappearing Brake Fluid
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=1033187

Brake Fluid Blowout
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=772785

Defective new master cylinder? (long)
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=798232

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http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=1066676

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http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=826695

W123 Dragging brake question
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=1003736

Need brake advice / calipers not releasing
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=656713

I have tried everything... vac booster
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=997851

Brake system bleeding, master cylinder bleeding
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=1127978








Have a great day.:)

Oracle12345 09-23-2008 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sixto (Post 1973021)
It won't hold pressure with your foot on the pedal or it won't hold pressure with a pressure bleeder? If it won't hold pressure with a pressure bleeder, you have a leak! Make sure the brake booster isn't filling with brake fluid.

Sixto
87 300D


I checked for leaks when the brakes were bleed after replacing one of the lines and there were none.

Before before starting the car the pedal was nice and firm but when I started the car the pedal went right to the floor.

DubMutant 09-25-2008 02:16 PM

things to take home from this brake experience
 
1. don't install rear calipers on upside down -the bleeder nipple should always be pointing UP - if installed upside down, there is air in lines every time you try to bleed

2. don't ream the pedal to the floor EVER. If you do, say goodbye to your old MasterCylinder and hello to a new one. Use a block and press gently.

3. If you want it done right, do it yourself. I think this is the most valuable lesson to take home. Thanks kids!

Oracle12345 09-25-2008 07:24 PM

Have a good day sir

I apologize for any inconvenience caused.

And might I add don;t believe what most mechanics say because they lie or over exacerbate the situation to get your business. Very hard to find an honest independent mechanic.

Jeremy5848 09-25-2008 07:35 PM

I second the pressure bleeder suggestion, having made my own from a small plastic-bodied garden sprayer, a pressure gauge, a spare reservoir cap, and some tubing. It's an easy one-person job. You tend to use more brake fluid (since you have to fill the pressure bleeder) but fluid is cheap compared to master cylinders.

DubMutant 09-25-2008 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeremy5848 (Post 1975240)
I second the pressure bleeder suggestion, having made my own from a small plastic-bodied garden sprayer, a pressure gauge, a spare reservoir cap, and some tubing. It's an easy one-person job. You tend to use more brake fluid (since you have to fill the pressure bleeder) but fluid is cheap compared to master cylinders.

True that.
Is there any reason why now that the system is pressurized that the pedal feel is so soft-ish? The pedal can be depressed half way until I get real good brake response- not exactly what I was expecting from all of this work. Will new front rotors improve the pedal feel? There are new hoses nd pads in the front, although on of the pads needed to be ground down after it was chipped during installation.

Oracle- lessons learned my man. that's all. If we can take something positive lesson from this it's that we not make the same mistakes again.

Oracle12345 09-25-2008 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DubMutant (Post 1975307)
True that.
Is there any reason why now that the system is pressurized that the pedal feel is so soft-ish? The pedal can be depressed half way until I get real good brake response- not exactly what I was expecting from all of this work. Will new front rotors improve the pedal feel? There are new hoses nd pads in the front, although on of the pads needed to be ground down after it was chipped during installation.

Oracle- lessons learned my man. that's all. If we can take something positive lesson from this it's that we not make the same mistakes again.


Yeah what I learned is I wont do this again and will do only work through a dealership. Too many people are too quick to blame the person who worked on the car and say they "broke" it when in fact they are wrong.

As they say you get what you pay for. Do expect a complete brake job for few hundred dollars? If you had paided me more then I would of tried harder.


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