1986 300 SDL master key question -- one key to rule all others? - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Kevin Johnson · #1 01-01-2009, 09:58 AM

I have the owners manual and have read the bit about locking the trunk by turning the key 90 degrees to the right and removing it so that the valet key cannot open it. [I recently purchased the valet key from the dealer.]

I am not able to make the trunk lock cylinder turn this far. Glovebox locking in the same manner is no problem.

Question: Is the master key with the red dot a different key than the normal keys that will operate the ign, trunk, door, glovebox?

It seems that would make four:

flat normal key (for wallet)
plastic grip normal key
plastic grip valet key
plastic grip "red dot" master key

Anybody?

Thanks!

Hatterasguy · #2 01-01-2009, 10:33 AM

The red dot are the old keys, it was MB's way in the 80's of showing off the car had an alarm. The new ones don't have it.

Your lock is probably stuck, since hardly anyone ever uses that feature. Try some graphite powder in the lock.

Kevin Johnson · #3 01-01-2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

The red dot are the old keys, it was MB's way in the 80's of showing off the car had an alarm. The new ones don't have it.

Your lock is probably stuck, since hardly anyone ever uses that feature. Try some graphite powder in the lock.

Thanks, I will try that. I hate forcing things.

Cr from Texas · #4 01-01-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

Your lock is probably stuck, since hardly anyone ever uses that feature. Try some graphite powder in the lock.

FWIW, my locksmith says not to use graphite. Use WD40.

Hatterasguy · #5 01-01-2009, 01:14 PM

Liquid's will attract dirt.

toomany MBZ · #6 01-01-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cr from Texas

FWIW, my locksmith says not to use graphite. Use WD40.

Mine too.

dieseldiehard · #7 01-01-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by toomany MBZ

Mine too.

my brother, a locksmith uses the saying "graphite is a locksmiths best friend" meaning it generates lots of business.
I learned that the hard way when I squirted Graphite in a new SAAB and a year later the lock jammed up. It gets into the pins and dries out and they stick.
I suggest WD40 or better yet, Tri-Flow spray on locks.

vstech · #8 01-01-2009, 12:51 PM

I would spray some pb blaster in there, let it soak for a day then spray brake cleaner in really well. get all traces of gunk out. then blow it out really dry with air, or co2 spray. gotta get all junk out, try the key then, if it's smooth, great, if not repeat above. once it's totally smooth, if you feel in necessary, put in some graphite powder to prevent future problems with wear.

compu_85 · #9 01-01-2009, 03:00 PM

The 90* turn works well on my SDL: It locks the truck shut with a deadbolt. The central locking still works the standard latch I believe, but the bolt holds the trunk shut.

-Jason

Kevin Johnson · #10 01-01-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by compu_85

The 90* turn works well on my SDL: It locks the truck shut with a deadbolt. The central locking still works the standard latch I believe, but the bolt holds the trunk shut.

-Jason

All fixed -- it was the sliding bolt to the left of the latch. I lubricated it and the part on the lid that it passes through. Thanks everyone for the info!

Carson357 · #11 01-01-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Johnson

I have the owners manual and have read the bit about locking the trunk by turning the key 90 degrees to the right and removing it so that the valet key cannot open it. [I recently purchased the valet key from the dealer.]

I am not able to make the trunk lock cylinder turn this far. Glovebox locking in the same manner is no problem.

Question: Is the master key with the red dot a different key than the normal keys that will operate the ign, trunk, door, glovebox?

It seems that would make four:

flat normal key (for wallet)
plastic grip normal key
plastic grip valet key
plastic grip "red dot" master key

Anybody?

Thanks!

last time i tried to get a valet key the dealr said they are no longer available, i have one for my 1986 SDL, the valet key will not actually even turn the trunk lock and will not even enter the glove box key hole, the valet key is distinguished by an oval head

Kevin Johnson · #12 01-01-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Carson357

last time i tried to get a valet key the dealr said they are no longer available, i have one for my 1986 SDL, the valet key will not actually even turn the trunk lock and will not even enter the glove box key hole, the valet key is distinguished by an oval head

You could make a valet key pretty easily with some low fusing solder. The difference from the standard one is that it does not have the long straight grooves on either side running down the middle of the key.

Carson357 · #13 01-01-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Johnson

You could make a valet key pretty easily with some low fusing solder. The difference from the standard one is that it does not have the long straight grooves on either side running down the middle of the key.

wasnt for me, one of my customers wanted one, when i bought my SDL i got 5 keys, two were valet

Gene Horr · #14 01-01-2009, 03:34 PM

Any locksmith who recommends WD-40 is REALLY just looking for future business. This is the worst possible substance you can use on a moving part. It is designed so that the lubricating portion will offgas in a month or two leaving behind a gummy tar like substance. Fine for when you are wanting to waterproof something but horrible for moving parts.

At this point then people spray in more WD-40. The volatiles will temporarily dissove the tar, allowing the part to move. But when they evaporate you now have twice as much gum. After a year or two the lock is useless.

The best substance is plain light grade oil. But it will run over everything so keep napkins handy. Graphite is good for certain installations. It won't "dry out" (it is a powder, not a liquid) but does not have the rust prevention of oil.

There are plenty of locksmiths who don't know their rear end from a hole in the ground as you can see from reading the above posts.

dieseldiehard · #15 01-03-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gene Horr

Any locksmith who recommends WD-40 is REALLY just looking for future business. This is the worst possible substance you can use on a moving part. It is designed so that the lubricating portion will offgas in a month or two leaving behind a gummy tar like substance. Fine for when you are wanting to waterproof something but horrible for moving parts.

At this point then people spray in more WD-40. The volatiles will temporarily dissove the tar, allowing the part to move. But when they evaporate you now have twice as much gum. After a year or two the lock is useless.

The best substance is plain light grade oil. But it will run over everything so keep napkins handy. Graphite is good for certain installations. It won't "dry out" (it is a powder, not a liquid) but does not have the rust prevention of oil.

There are plenty of locksmiths who don't know their rear end from a hole in the ground as you can see from reading the above posts.

I don't like the implication there Gene. As I was the previous post referring to my brother a locksmith. I take it you disagree, well you are free to disagree but don't say "know their rear end from a hole in the ground" to me. Thank you!

I was not implying using WD40 as a lubricant, which it is not really, its more of a solvent. What I meant to say is I suggest using it to wash out graphite from a contaminated lock.
Used in that way WD40 will restore the pins to proper movement. In Colorado they use hot WD40 to unfreeze locks in the winter. Its really made primarily from fish oil, didja know? I use it mainly to clean engine blocks and old electrical cables (black rubber SJO and similar).
The ONLY lube I will use in a lock is Triflow. Its a teflon loaded thin oil fluid and has never caused me any problems. Its excellent in guns and will not form varnish.
My brother has opened enough stuck locks in CO to buy a Mercedes (well, a used one maybe) and seen what graphite does. Its nasty stuff and yet they still package it for sale. Like I said, it brings Locksmiths business so maybe its made for that reason? hey I like conspiracy theories