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Old 10-17-2009, 12:57 PM
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Engine swap opinion

I am swapping an engine from a 85sd, to an 83.
I have it out, and would like your opinion...

Wht engine has 250-300K on it. I was thinking about droping the pistons out the bottom, and re-ringing, and replacing the bearings before installing it into the 83. It does have some blow buy, but not real bad.
What would you do?
Why?

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Old 10-17-2009, 01:00 PM
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the only issue with slapping new rings on there is that they may not set correctly. You have to break the glaze on the cylinder walls. But I would read up on that, I'm not sure what the limits or indications are.

If the bearings are not damaged ,they do not need to be exchanged, just keep them in order.
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Old 10-17-2009, 01:09 PM
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You can't take the pistons out of the bottom. The casting of the block prevents the pistons from coming all the way out from the bottom. You have to pull them out from the top.
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Old 10-17-2009, 02:32 PM
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the only issue with slapping new rings on there is that they may not set correctly. You have to break the glaze on the cylinder walls. But I would read up on that, I'm not sure what the limits or indications are.

If the bearings are not damaged ,they do not need to be exchanged, just keep them in order.

JT: As I recall from member spock605 and his euro om 605 he talked to meyle and they said to not glaze break or bottle hone the cylinders.
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=248826

BLACKESTATE: I have swapped motors several times, as I had a "good" replacement engine that was garbage. It had a bad piston/bore. In my opinion, and as I have learned from working on these cars don't fix something that isn't broken, it usually takes a lot of time, patience and $. As long as you're comfortable with how it sounds, responds, and feels, regardless of the blowby, I would set it w/o pulling anything. I would however, pull the oil pan sump off and see what kind of guk is in the oil pickup tube screen, just because it takes 10 minutes to get it off, plus you'll be able to see # 1 and # 2 cylinders, check for any scoring or scratching. If all looks well, you have an engine that is ready to go another 250K. When installing I would recommend checking the IP timing, replacing the timing chain, and adjusting the valves while you're in the mindset to work on your old MB. Hope this helps! Keep us posted on how everything is going. Also be sure to checkout the rental tool program this forum has, you'll need a couple 'special-ish' tools to make removal a little smoother... Again, GOOD LUCK
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Old 10-17-2009, 04:20 PM
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If you start to tear it down you will keep encountering items that you will want to replace. Before you know it you will be into rings, bearings, all the seals, etc, and lots of $.

As indicated, stick to items like timing set, that need to be replaced every so many miles anyway.

Then degrease it and paint it!
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Old 10-17-2009, 05:24 PM
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I would also check the oil pump chain on the bottom in a turbo motor. If it has had decent care the cam chain will probably be good but the pump chain is very short so will get four or five times the wear in a given mileage. and if it breaks it is catastrophic.

I believe that is what happened to Craig's motor and I know he is pretty good about keeping clean oil in it.
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Old 10-17-2009, 08:26 PM
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JT: As I recall from member spock605 and his euro om 605 he talked to meyle and they said to not glaze break or bottle hone the cylinders.
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=248826

BLACKESTATE: I have swapped motors several times, as I had a "good" replacement engine that was garbage. It had a bad piston/bore. In my opinion, and as I have learned from working on these cars don't fix something that isn't broken, it usually takes a lot of time, patience and $. As long as you're comfortable with how it sounds, responds, and feels, regardless of the blowby, I would set it w/o pulling anything. I would however, pull the oil pan sump off and see what kind of guk is in the oil pickup tube screen, just because it takes 10 minutes to get it off, plus you'll be able to see # 1 and # 2 cylinders, check for any scoring or scratching. If all looks well, you have an engine that is ready to go another 250K. When installing I would recommend checking the IP timing, replacing the timing chain, and adjusting the valves while you're in the mindset to work on your old MB. Hope this helps! Keep us posted on how everything is going. Also be sure to checkout the rental tool program this forum has, you'll need a couple 'special-ish' tools to make removal a little smoother... Again, GOOD LUCK

thank you. good catch. good info.

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