N.F.W.!!!!


notice the juxtaposition of 10,000 gallons of oil per acre of production compared to 328 BARRELS of ethanol produced from an acre of corn....

they kinda stretched the limits of credibility with that statement...

they do go on to state it may be possible to go to 25000 gallons of fuel when ramped up to commercial production which would be approximately 800 barrels of fuel... so... they are saying only 31.5 gallons / barrel? I thought it was 33... either way, 32gallons/barrel is only 312.5 barrels of fuel... so corn makes more. and corn gets diluted from 10% in standard fuel, to 85% in E85(which nobody uses really...)

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Neil Reynolds has an extremely poor reputation as a journalist.

If any scientific mind is used with the article it reads off as another "perpetual motion" invention.

Cost For A Gallon Of Corn Ethanol

Corn Ethanol Futures Market quote for January 2007 Delivery $2.49

Add cost of transporting, storing and blending corn ethanol $0.28

Added cost of making gasoline that can be blended with corn ethanol $0.09

Add cost of subsidies paid to blender $0.51

Total Direct Costs per Gallon $3.37

Added cost from waste $0.40

Added cost from damage to infrastructure and user's engine $0.06

Total Indirect Costs per Gallon $0.46

Added cost of lost energy $1.27

Added cost of food (American family of four) $1.79

Total Social Costs $3.06

Total Cost of Corn Ethanol @ 85% Blend $6.89 per gallon BUT because of tax payer paid subsidies you can buy it for $3.23 a gallon $101.75 a barrel today.

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That is false information, ethanol will not harm engines.

It sure isn't good for them.

Ethanol damages 2-stroke engines:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25936782/ns/business-consumer_news/

Problems in standard (older) automobile engines:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85_in_standard_engines#Problems
(also some info in the intro section)

Popular Mechanics article:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/biofuels/e15-gasoline-damage-engine

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From the articles listed you only show its harmful to older engines, 2-strokes and fuel moisture.
Older engines and 2-strokes are what ethanol was designed for, it creates a lean condition that burns hotter and more completely. Modern engines simply adjust the A/F ratio to compensate, which renders the ethanol useless and harmless, the only effect is reduced MPG and consumption of food that could be used to feed starving countries.

2-strokes need oil thats compatible with ethanol.
Older engines need the carb adjusted.
Moisture can be prevented by not buying crap fuel from shady stations.
Problems solved.

the only effect is reduced MPG and consumption of food that could be used to feed us and starving countries at a lower cost and then there are the tax subsidies that we all pay. So where is the problem? Almost forgot about the billions in bribes to politicians to keep this all going.

Corn uses scarce and expensive farm lands. "proprietary organism" can be put on arid mid west otherwise unusable lands.

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And everywhere else when it escapes into the wild and turns all our freshwater bodies into diesel. Or did they add a "lysine contingency" to its DNA?