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Those electric ones have got to be loud, right? Any air electric pumps I have seen make some serious noise; especially that small.
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On the suggestion to drag magnets etc., seems like a good idea. Beyond that, I'd consider pouring a couple of quarts of inexpensive oil in the opening where your vac-pump was, to see if you might flush that last bearing out.
I like the mechanical vac-pump just fine, but as I look at the work I just put in my engine, and add the receipts, looks like around $9k on a previously good engine. A failing vac-pump would ruin my day even if it is a relatively rare occurance.
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Recovered victim of vacuum pump failure/engine grenade
So. I purchased an 87 300D in 2003 with around 214k miles. Smoothest running diesel I have ever ownd (previous were 4 and 5 cylinders), couldn't tell at idle if the thing was running, from inside of course. However, the oil pressure needle would fluctuate dramatically at idle. Blew it off thinking it was the sender. Long story short, vacuum pump was updated version, by looking at the front. Thanksgiving day 04 cruising down 91 in LA, when boom! oil pressure to zero, engine lost all power. Made it over to right shoulder, barely. AAA sent tow truck and back home we went. Later diagnoses, took side resevior off oil pan and found chunks of bearing races, and oddly, chain parts.
My final determination: Vacuum pump failed on previous owner. Pump was replaced but, bearing race chunks had fallen into oil pan. Chunks started to get sucked up by oil pump, eventually beating their way through oil pump screen locking up oil pump and snapping oil pump chain. Also determined fluctuating oil pressure needle was caused by broken chain tensioner: oil pressure was actually fluctuating, not caused by bad sending unit. Don't know if this was caused by failed vacuum pump though. Tear down revealed bottom end of engine was toast. Melted bearing metal was sprayed up the sides of block from crankshaft journals and connecting rods. Oil pump was locked solid! Took ten months to rebuild, crankshaft just needed polish, so it was reused along with the updated vacuum pump. Getting 30 MPG, 40,000 later so all is good. Not as smooth as before but acceptable. Moral of story:If vacuum pump is an issue for whatever reason, pulling side resevior on oil pan is a must to see if chunks have fallen. Make sure you have a new gasket and don't overtorque bolts, trust me, dam it! Do whatever you can to inspect oil pump, oil pump chain, oil pump chain tensioner and tension spring while side resevoir is removed. Tensioner replacement requires timing cover removal. Hope this helps. |
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Electric VP noise
The One I "Pictured" is listed at 58dBA and if it's mounted properly (Vibration)
you'd be hard pressed to "hear" it over the normal engine noise. Skleutz's catastrophe is just the sort of Nightmare I envision... Although his was a "Present" from the P.O. And he never suffered a V.P. failure himself. We've seen more than one failure,documented on the forum, of Non-V.P. parts "Beating" their way through the Oil Pump pickup screen with Catastrophic results. Even with Magnets in the Oil Pan, non-ferrous parts will gain entry to the Oil Pump through the Screen and "Boom".
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Don't be fooled by the cover!
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DON'T USE THAT ALONE TO DETERNINE IF YOU HAVE THE UPDATED PUMP! I pulled one from the junkyard last year with the Screws on the front thinking I scored a updated pump. When I got it off I was surprised to see that it had the exposed bearing/older version guts As mentioned above, I pulled another one last week with the same scews on the front cover, and it WAS the updated , sealed bearing, version. They are both sitting in my garage right now side-by side.
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You can get electric 12V vac pumps from 80's gm cars
Mostly the older Buicks and Cadillacs around 82 or so. they will produce 24+ inches of vacuum and are reasonably quiet. I got one for installing on a Volvo td which had a leaking diaphragm. They were designed to produce vacuum for the power brakes since the engine vacuum was insufficient at some rpms for some reason. Fairly sturdy and cheap, got mine for $10 if I recall. Cheers Dan
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Does the pump run all the time? Does it draw from the booster directly or is there a system reservoir?
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Not sure
I never looked into the wiring scheme for the pump. It was meant to supply vacuum to the brakes in periods of low engine vacuum. It may have run continious or may have been controlled by a pressure switch. It would seem likely that it ran all the time as the demand for vacuum could come up quite suddenly ie a panic stop. I want to say that it teed into the vacuum line before the booster with a check valve on the line to the rest of the vacuum system thus making the booster a reservoir of sorts. Not 100% sure on that one. I have used it for various things including testing a cooling system for leaks, vacuum system, isolate, wait an hour and check to see if the vacuum holds. Cheers Dan
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I think my father's 1.8t Passat has one, and I have never heard it run. -J
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