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Old 07-13-2011, 09:37 PM
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My results... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDNt-m6-SPw excuse the mess...

Maybe I'm too close or too far... I mean some of the reading was solid but then changed. I have an air conditioner and fan close by. Maybe that's what causing it.
The IR probe is probably good. You cannot measure the temp of the water with an open flame nearby. The open frame would create hot air and affect your reading. Turn off the frame and move the kettle to a table and do it again. It IR is a very sensitive instrument.

Measurement from my SDL.

At 82C the resistance is about 330 ohm
At 25C the resistance is about 2000 ohm.

I think you new sensor may be correct.

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Old 07-13-2011, 09:39 PM
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What, precisely, is the function of the laser portion of an infrared thermometer? Are you suggesting that the laser plays a role in temperature determination?
Yes.
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Old 07-13-2011, 09:41 PM
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If the new sensor is correct, then why is it not registering on my gauge? As soon as I put my old temp sensor in, the gauge started working again. What am I missing?

I see that the readings you got are very close to my new sensor. Something is going wrong somewhere...
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Old 07-13-2011, 09:48 PM
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I'll clear things up...

The new temp sensor doesn't work. I swapped the old one back in. it works but I don't know if the temps the gauge is showing me is correct.

When I installed the new temp sensor, I went for a drive and it took about 15mins for the car to get to 50c which is very odd. I believe it was a combination of the high temps and the loose cap.

I got myself a new battery. The old battery wasn't holding a charge anymore.

What has been done about the temps is this...

I first drained the green stuff.
I was going to change my thermostat at that point but that's when the bolt snapped on the housing.
I then added the good MB stuff.
About 2 weeks later I replaced the whole thermostat housing and put in a new thermostat.
Today I changed my temp sensor but it didn't work. So I put the old one back in.

I guess next I need to check my radiator and water pump.
You introduced too many variables into the diagnostics. If the new thermostat is good then put it back in and start all over. Bottom line is that you need to determine whether you have an overheating problem first by measuring the temp. I do not see you have made the determination.

Also check whether the rad cap is good and is the rad still pressurized after the car cools down. If it does then it may point to a head gasket problem. Take a deep breath and calm down and start all over. PM me if you are stuck. I may or may have an answer but I will do my best.
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Old 07-13-2011, 09:58 PM
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Ok tomorrow I will put the old thermostat back in then measure with the ir gun the top of the radiator. Will post results.
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The easy fix. You can wire the aux fan to come on by the AC system or engine temp. Replace the brass switch on the thermostat housing with a 100°C from MB or other MB supplier. The switch on the drier goes to ground. Wire the 100°C switch to ground the circuit as well.
The two switches work in parallel. When your engine hits 100°C the fan will come on and the temp will fall back to 90°C. The cycle will repeat.
By the way, the switch on the thermostat housing you will replace is there to keep the heater from coming on until the water is warm. Don't want to get a little chill now, do we.
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Old 07-13-2011, 10:42 PM
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Yes.
That would be the wrong answer. The laser is just a pointer; it plays no role in the temp determination. It makes no difference if the laser is reflected, absorbed, sliced or diced.
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Old 07-13-2011, 10:44 PM
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When your engine hits 100°C the fan will come on and the temp will fall back to 190°C.
Let's hope not.
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Tangofox. Why do you hope not?
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Old 07-14-2011, 03:06 AM
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Tangofox. Why do you hope not?
He is being sarcastic. The temp cannot fall back from 100C to 190C.
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Old 07-14-2011, 09:05 AM
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RE Hard Wired Aux Fan

My SDL - I've had mine hard wired "on" for five years now. Ever since a MB Service Manager in AZ said...Helps the A/C too when it's very hot outside.

He was correct. Also keeps the motor cooler. I don't like it when it the motor has to get hot to have it come on...and like said here before the P&P has tons of them if they burn up.
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I believe I read somewhere that the aux fan doesn't even come on based on temp. It's the AC that triggers it. If you're low on refrigerant it won't even come on. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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You are correct. The engine temp won't normally trigger the aux fan. The rewire and switch is easy to do.
Re my post #25. That's 90°c, thanks
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Old 07-14-2011, 11:22 PM
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Ok tomorrow I will put the old thermostat back in then measure with the ir gun the top of the radiator. Will post results.
I'm trying not to provide conflicting or contradictory advice, but I wouldn't re-replace the thermostat. If you got a new thermostat and installed it correctly (arrow up, correct orientation), then I'd leave that alone and revisit the sensor and the actual temps, and the caps.

With the engine cold, check to ensure the radiator cap is on correctly: push down and twist to get a firm seat.

Make sure the overflow tank cap is on tight.

Since you've got the correct wire ID'd for the gauge, pull that wire and inspect the connector. You want a good clean tight fit. If the electrical connection isn't right, then the reading may be off.

Since you have a spare sensor, you can do a check on your gauge. Get a bowl/cup/vessel of nearly boiling water. Put that in the engine bay. Clip the uninstalled sensor onto the gauge wire, put the sensor in the water, making sure you don't immerse the wire. Check the gauge for close to 100 c. You could verify the water temp with a meat or candy thermometer or a probe thermometer. Give the metal time to absorb the heat.

If that sensor and gauge combo is accurate, install that one. You've now reduced the variables. If it's not accurate, you can remove the other sensor from the cool engine, reheat the water to near boiling and test again. Even if if it's not accurate you'll have a better idea if it's reading high or low. Hopefully not low since it's been saying around 100 c.

Do as much as you can on a cool engine before you try to see if everything works on a hot engine.
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What, precisely, is the function of the laser portion of an infrared thermometer? Are you suggesting that the laser plays a role in temperature determination?
Aiming. The visible red laser is colinear with the IR detector.

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