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I've just gotta not rip the SD apart until I get this thing fixed, I gotta get to work somehow. lol
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...724_160329.jpg

But I'm thinking about getting a Toyota trans at pick n pull this weekend because they're having a half off sale.

Walkenvol has just posted a nice link for those of you thinking about using non MB gearboxes

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/3004820-post13.html

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Originally Posted by Army (Post 3004987)

Walkenvol has just posted a nice link for those of you thinking about using non MB gearboxes

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/3004820-post13.html

Thanks for the update...Going to check that out.

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Originally Posted by winmutt (Post 2782732)

FW is $600.

i have a 5 cyl 38lb flywheel here in n Texas for $400.00 plus shipping

Alternative bell housing anyone?????

Sorry for the thread revival - this isn't for a W124 gearbox - but it might be useful for an alternative.

Thinking out of the box - thinking MARINE engines there are lots of these things about for no much money

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...1&d=1364568021

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...1&d=1364568053

This one is currently for sale here in Holland for just under 80 euros.

There are lots of these little bell housing / clutch covers out there for the OM617.

Is that worth thinking about?

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Originally Posted by Stretch (Post 3122225)

Cool, THAT would be very easy to make an adapter plate for...any more information on these? WHo makes them..part numbers etc?

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Originally Posted by Stretch (Post 3122225)

That's cash money. How many can you get your hands on? I need at least 1

Here's the link for the one for sale I saw

Marktplaats.nl - OM615 t/m OM617 - Accessoires en Onderhoud

The advertiser says he's only got one left. I'll contact him and ask for the manufacturer and part number.

The shipping will be at least the same amount. This isn't a cheap from Europe to the US option unless I / we can work out who makes these things.

Well the seller (very kindly) got back to me and told me that he had bought the adapter from these people

Dintra Transmissies in Putten, het adres voor aandrijftechnieken voor jachten en schepen

They do loads of nice coupling stuff too.

Just for the record - tthe English language catalogue is a bit out of date; but the most recent Dutch version has loads more stuff in it.

The adapter plate can be found on page 65 of the Dutch version of the catalogue for the price of 280 euros {and that's probably a price without 21% sales tax}

(So if "anyone" wants the one for sale at 79 euros + 13 euros to get it to me and then wants to pay for additional postage from me to you I'm happy to act as a go between so long as I know you - you also need to do this in the next 48 hours or so - otherwise someone else might snap it up)

For those like me who don't know the exchange rates, 1 euro = 1.28 dollars

Butcher a 722.1 bell housing instead?

I recently measured the bolt holes on the bell housing on a 722.112 automatic transmission for someone on BW =>

Droolworthy? 5-Speed For Your Diesel - Page 2 - Benzworld.org - Mercedes-Benz Discussion Forum

This might help someone looking for similar information here.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...1&d=1366528138
The dimensions are =>

A-H => 9cm
G-B => 20.5cm
F-C => 17.5cm
E-D => 15.25cm
D-H => 22.8cm
E-A => 23.8cm
D-G => 19.8cm
E-G => 10.5cm
D-B => 11.5cm
E-B => 22cm

All measurements made with a tape measure. All measurements made from a subjective centre of bolt hole!

The vent is at the top of the transmission (just in case you were wondering)

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Originally Posted by JB3 (Post 2782235)

so check this out-

here we have the chevy astro 5-speed next to a 115 iron 4-speed. Ive thrown the MB shifter in there with the shift rods to show just how the location of the shifter itself is the big issue with just firing any RWD 5-speed out of dozens of vehicles in one of these MBs

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...rison/0025.jpg

Super inaccurate measurements, but look how the MB shifter is around a foot behind the actual box, and the chevy transmission shifter is actual about 5 inches forward of it. (they are both at the same line in front on the table) In this configuration, if you put the basic chevy box in an MB car, the shifter would be in your ashtray, or climate control

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...arison/003.jpg
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...arison/005.jpg

You can see from this side how the chevy 5-speed shifter handle is about 10 inches over to the driverside of the tranny through the astro-specific whoseawhatsit piece-

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...arison/006.jpg

HOWEVER, here is my favorite pic- If you rotate the shifter extension on the chevy box, it puts the handle in almost the right place. There is no doubt in my mind that the correct attachment is available for some application that moves the shifter to the rear over the tailcone, or is customizable, making this type of chevy 5-speed that is common for camaros or something like it a possibility in an MB body.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...arison/007.jpg

The trick is finding just the right old domestic or asian car that moves the shifter back in some way right over the end of the tailcone. I know from some other threads if you are buying a rebuild T5, you can buy pretty much any kind of extension you want, in multiple lenghts, but thats big money.

Camaro T5:

http://agtmotors.com/uploads/Image/T5%20trans%20rss.jpg

Does this shifter placement look like it could fit the bill?

Even if it doesn't, we could probably use the method this guy used to shorten his shifter to lengthen it:

A possible solution for cable speedometers. - Lugnutz65ChevyStepside

Lengthen the rod, build a remote shifter holder...

I suppose that same technique could also be used to adapt a W59.

Here is a Wikipedia page on the Toyota W transmission:

Toyota W transmission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It looks like the ratios on the W59 are very close to the MB ratios:

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia Gods of Accuracy

Ratios:

First Gear: 3.954:1
Second Gear: 2.141:1
Third Gear: 1.384:1
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
Fifth Gear: 0.81:1

If I got it right, I think the W59 was used in trucks starting in 1996.

If either the shifter fits or we could lengthen it as in the link in my previous post, this tranny could well be a good bet. It was used with the 5VZ-FE, which made 190 HP/220 lb-ft, so it should hold up just fine to the OM617.

5 speed transmission 717 411

Hi I have the transmission for sale, it is located in Guatemala Central America, but if there is someone interested......let me know.......i only want 600.00 US...plus shipping.......