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Old 01-03-2012, 01:48 PM
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Why do my glow plugs always burn out in the middle of winter?

Why do my glow plugs always burn out in the middle of winter? I am sure its some form of Murphy's Law. In November I lost one. The Day after Christmas I lost two leaving me with only two working. This is the third year in a row I have lost all but two in the winter.

I have tried both Autolite and Bosch brands. I have cleaned the glow plug holes with a .223 wire brush to de-carbon the prechamber holes. The only thing I can conclude is they are not making the glowplugs as well as they used to.

Its not fun trying to replace them out in the cold weather.

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I have tried ...........Autolite
This guarantees that they won't make it one season...........
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They burn out in the winter because this is when you use them the most. Maybe 2 or even 3 full glow cycles every morning if you've got low compression and it's good and cold. Versus the quick 15 second glow in the summer. A block heater will reduce the need for low glow cycles, which will prolong the GP life.
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Old 01-03-2012, 02:47 PM
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This guarantees that they won't make it one season...........
Well if Bosch didn't fail the first time I never would have had to try the Autolites. I'm trying Bosch again, maybe I got a bad batch the first time.

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They burn out in the winter because this is when you use them the most. Maybe 2 or even 3 full glow cycles every morning if you've got low compression and it's good and cold. Versus the quick 15 second glow in the summer. A block heater will reduce the need for low glow cycles, which will prolong the GP life.
Fortunately I have good compression. I'm gonna fix the block heater next. Note: a cheap hair dryer thrown under the hood with a blanket over the hood and grill makes a good substitute for a block heater
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Note: a cheap hair dryer thrown under the hood with a blanket over the hood and grill makes a good substitute for a block heater
Sounds you like you prefer your car rip-roaring-fire-hot.


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Old 01-03-2012, 08:03 PM
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Sounds you like you prefer your car rip-roaring-fire-hot.
Actually it takes about 2 hours to warm up to the point where you can start it (easily). A block heater takes about 30 minutes. I think a shock hazard would be more likely than a fire.
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I used to work for the Canadian equivalent of Consumers Union (Consumer Reports). We tested consumer hair dryers. We were alarmed at how easily some melt. The cheap plastic ones. They aren't made to run for extended periods, like the pro dryers.

I have done something similar in extreme cold on a previous car, using a small home space heater. But I only left it for an hour or so and kept one eye peeled for signs of trouble.
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I used to work for the Canadian equivalent of Consumers Union (Consumer Reports). We tested consumer hair dryers. We were alarmed at how easily some melt. The cheap plastic ones. They aren't made to run for extended periods, like the pro dryers.

I have done something similar in extreme cold on a previous car, using a small home space heater. But I only left it for an hour or so and kept one eye peeled for signs of trouble.
Cheaper, safer idea is a drop light. Until I got a circulating heater for my skidsteer, I would hang a drop light in the engine compartment overnight when I knew I needed to use it in the morning.
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Why do my glow plugs always burn out in the middle of winter? I am sure its some form of Murphy's Law. In November I lost one. The Day after Christmas I lost two leaving me with only two working. This is the third year in a row I have lost all but two in the winter.

I have tried both Autolite and Bosch brands. I have cleaned the glow plug holes with a .223 wire brush to de-carbon the prechamber holes. The only thing I can conclude is they are not making the glowplugs as well as they used to.

Its not fun trying to replace them out in the cold weather.
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Cheaper, safer idea is a drop light. Until I got a circulating heater for my skidsteer, I would hang a drop light in the engine compartment overnight when I knew I needed to use it in the morning.
I have no block heater cord on my 87, and there are at least 3 dead plugs in the car, and it's gonna hit 17 tonight... So... I stopped at wallyworld tonight, and picked up a 100watt bulb, and a steel drop light, and set it on the exhaust manifold and plugged it in. I could have stuck it under the IP, for heat in the fuel... but I figured the heat from the light would soak into the steel, and keep the head slightly warm as opposed to the heat melting the wiring in the area, and catching all the fuel and oil etc on fire overnight... I'm funny that way.
we'll see in the morning how it worked. it was REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLY hard starting it this morning, and it was only 26... 17 is QUITE a bit colder...
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Because that's when you're using them?
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12 degrees this morning, block heater not plugged in, 3 glow cycles, started and ran rough for a minute then cleared out and ran fine. Car is an "87 300D with 337XXX and the block heater does not seem to be working. Going to fix that VERY soon.
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Because that's when you're using them?
yes but it still doesn't make a lot of sense.

on my '87 i've driven the car for 6 years - 6 cold toronto winters. i've put about 80,000 Kms on the car in that time and changed the glow plugs last fall for the first time in my 80K period. i would think that glow plugs should last at least 2 years if not more. so this owner having them fail in less than a year makes me think there's something wrong.
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I have no block heater cord on my 87, and there are at least 3 dead plugs in the car, and it's gonna hit 17 tonight... So... I stopped at wallyworld tonight, and picked up a 100watt bulb, and a steel drop light, and set it on the exhaust manifold and plugged it in. I could have stuck it under the IP, for heat in the fuel... but I figured the heat from the light would soak into the steel, and keep the head slightly warm as opposed to the heat melting the wiring in the area, and catching all the fuel and oil etc on fire overnight... I'm funny that way.
we'll see in the morning how it worked. it was REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLY hard starting it this morning, and it was only 26... 17 is QUITE a bit colder...
Since heat rises, I'd think it's more effective to put the light lower in the engine, like under the oil pan.
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The same reason my ACC unit failed, it's cold!

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