Going through my 5-speed parts, I have three sets of shift linkages, as pictured below. I have two questions about them:

1) How do I know if these are 616 or 617 shifter rods? Anyone have any lengths for me to reference? I am also going to contact the seller and see if he know.

2) All the sets are the same length, but while two of the sets match, the third has different rod shapes. Would it be safe to assume that they will all work in the same applications?

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Dont even worry about it, looks like you have them in correct groups of three anyway.

When you install the transmission and shifter into your application, lock the shifter in position using an allen key underneath (there is a hole through all the linkages underneath for this). Then put your transmission 3 shift arms in neutral.

Then its a matter of adjusting the rods to fit, or cutting them down as needed. I have made manual shift linkages out of automatic bars in the past. Its actually pretty straight forward and intuitive to get it hooked up

Always consider this-
The longest shift rod application in a 123 will always be a 240 4 speed. Since thats the most common application for 4 speed in the US, thats the most common shift linkage. The 5 speed is a longer transmission, and in a turbo application closer still to the shifter.

Where i am going with this is shift linkages will almost always need to be trimmed down for your oddball application, never lengthened. This means you can build linkages out of anything if you have a tap and die set. Its a lot easier to shorten them

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You might want to peek at my build thread where I shortened the shift rods to fit my application. I welded mine but you could also thread the rods where you cut them and use the connector nuts that I used to thread the whole deal together. Also, invest in new bushings. They're cheap and solve a lot of problems.

Dan

Thanks, guys! Asking mainly because I am trying to figure out which it is before I sell them to my buyer. I sent him a link to this thread.

The seller replied and said that if they all match, they are most likely 616 rods.

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1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues ____ 1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod

2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."

I have a set of 616 5 speed rods at my house, I could send you a shot of them tomorrow.

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I can help in a typically inverse kind of a way!

Here's a picture of some W123 4 speed shifter linkages I got for someone here

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Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits!

Yo Stretchy, thx 4 the pics bro.

Are those for a 240D or 300D?

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1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues ____ 1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod

2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."

this thread might also be slightly useful-

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/312897-iron-4-speed-cast-getrag-4-speed-compatibility-questions.html

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Sorry I forgot to say. I understand they were fitted behind an OM617a and a four speed box...

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1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy!
1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing

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Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits!

I have the shop manual for these boxes. Anyone can Pm your email address if you want a big file sent.

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