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Old 01-17-2018, 09:29 AM
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2009 E 320 Bluetec Electric Warm up

Driving during the winter months it takes couple of miles until the engine get warm to get hot air inside the cabin of the Diesel cars.
Even though comparing with the older Mercedes that I had, I noticed that my 2009 MB Bluetec get's warm quicker than my old 1982 300SD. Those old MB have an electric 120 volt plug to connect to home power supply. Unless I am wrong I never saw this connector on the E320. Has someone any idea if this feature is available for E320 Diesel? My car is kept on garage and if this feature is available it will be great to have the heating ready to warm the cabin right the way.
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Old 01-17-2018, 10:10 AM
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If you car is like mine, it achieves quick cabin heat via an electric heater. Works really well. These newer diesels have no need for a block heater.
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Old 01-17-2018, 12:20 PM
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The older MB's block heater warms only the engine oil and block. There is an aftermarket product called ZeroStart that IMO is a far more effective solution. The ZeroStart unit combines an electric pump with a heating element and gets plumbed into the coolant system. It heats and circulates the coolant, which not only warms up the engine, but it also warms up the cabin by pumping warm coolant through the heater core.

There's a company called Frostheater that integrates the ZeroStart unit with custom mounting brackets and hoses, producing plug-n-play kits for diesel VW's. Not sure if anyone sells something similar for MB's.
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Old 01-17-2018, 12:27 PM
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if a diesel needs a computer,its not a diesel period
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Old 01-17-2018, 01:24 PM
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Starting with the W211 and the W164 they provided an electric booster heater in the duct to provide instant heat in cold weather. This is powered from the vehicle 12 V dc bus.

Very nice in the winter.
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Old 01-17-2018, 07:16 PM
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Old 01-17-2018, 10:56 PM
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They do warm up a lot faster than the older IDI motors. I don't think they have one. I've also started these cars on the mornings where it was 2 degrees with a wind chill of- 5 never felt it was necessary to plug it in. I let it idle for 13 minute and it was half way up the temperature gauge to operating temp.
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Old 01-17-2018, 11:33 PM
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12V heating.

Wind chill has zip to do with ambient temperature, regards starting temperature.


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Because they are more efficient, they warm up a lot slower than the old IDI diesels. I lived in DFW when I had mine, and I could make it half way to the airport - about 15 miles - before it hit full operating temp on a very cold day.

The electric heater does help. It is ~1000 watts as I recall, so about as much heat as your wife's hair dryer.
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Old 01-18-2018, 09:07 AM
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12V heating.

Wind chill has zip to do with ambient temperature, regards starting temperature.


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it was used as a reference point to how cold it felt outside Joe.

your right it doesn't have an effect on starting temperature. thanks for telling me something I already knew. what would the forum do without your weather and climate knowledge? the server may just break!
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Old 01-18-2018, 10:31 AM
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1000 W / 12 V = 83.3 A

That is a lot of current for the vehicle’s 12 V dc bus.

I know MB was moving towards a 42 V dc bus for high demand loads. I am going to have to look at the wiring diagrams for the W166 and see if they implemented that on this car. It has the duct heater and it is quite effective.

I suspect it may be a little less than 1000 W, a few hundred watts of heat directed at your face would be very effective at making you feel warmer.
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Old 01-18-2018, 03:14 PM
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Instant heat on my W211 is fantastic.

If you want to forego the electrical load factor on the car's operating system, you can wait until the temp. guage reaches the 50% or higher mark of operating temp.
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1000 W / 12 V = 83.3 A

That is a lot of current for the vehicle’s 12 V dc bus.

I know MB was moving towards a 42 V dc bus for high demand loads. I am going to have to look at the wiring diagrams for the W166 and see if they implemented that on this car. It has the duct heater and it is quite effective.

I suspect it may be a little less than 1000 W, a few hundred watts of heat directed at your face would be very effective at making you feel warmer.
Probably more like 14.2v, but I think your point stands. Maybe it was 600 watts, and I've had too much wine since I read the number...
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Thanks everyone for your reply to my question. Now I noticed that the electric heater really works, not a lot of heat right the way but enough to warm the cabin. Thanks for all replies
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:36 AM
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Question Code P0141

My 2009 MB E320 Bluetec recently a engine check light and checking the computer code gave me P0141.
As in the past I got the same code which went out by itself I got again the same code which is still on for one week but I am not sure if it needs attention or if I can ignore like I did before.
Before I got this code during the summer time and now in the winter time. The car is running normal and the fuel consumption is basically the same as before.
My question is: How harmful can be to the engine running this way?
What kind of the warning should I notice if the sensor is really bad?
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