FOUND!!! 190D 5-speed. Swap into w123? - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

knightwrider · #1 01-22-2018, 11:15 PM

Hey guys,

Been loving my 83' 240D 4-spd. Put about 10k miles on her in almost a year.

Ever since day 1 the high RPM's at 65-70 have bugged me, and I researched countless hours for a solution. From bigger tires to diff swaps and foreign transmission swaps, I read about all of it.

I did come across how some people said the w201 5-spd manual may fit, but never got a definite answer. Of course finding a factory w123 5-spd is not only nearly impossible, it'd also probably be worth more than my car. Well I found a 190D with the so-desired 5-spd. Owner says the car runs, and has various issues. Its an 85' and he wants $1000.

My question is, IF the trans is good and all that good stuff, WILL this transmission [I]easily[I] fit into my w123? By easily I mean basically unbolt and bolt in. No extensive cutting or adapting. I'm guessing the transmission is a 717.410. If it wont, anybody interested in a 1985 190D 5-spd??

Sorry for the long post.
Thanks

Diseasel300 · #2 01-22-2018, 11:23 PM

An OM601 190D transmission will not bolt up to your OM616. The OM61x and OM60x engines have starters on opposite sides.

knightwrider · #3 01-22-2018, 11:57 PM

Thanks for the quick reply. I read something about having a machine shop make a custom housing for the starter and all kinds of other extensive and expensive modifications, and thats not for me. Guess I'll just keep wearing my earplugs

Heres the ad if anyone wants a 5-spd 190D!

https://houston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1985-mercedes-190d-4cyl-diesel/6463768501.html

michael0584 · #4 01-23-2018, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by knightwrider

Thanks for the quick reply. I read something about having a machine shop make a custom housing for the starter and all kinds of other extensive and expensive modifications, and thats not for me. Guess I'll just keep wearing my earplugs

Heres the ad if anyone wants a 5-spd 190D!

https://houston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1985-mercedes-190d-4cyl-diesel/6463768501.html

I'm in houston but not looking for another project. Looks like a decent deal though.

Phillytwotank · #5 01-23-2018, 06:13 AM

It would probably be more doable to swap the engine and transmission together into your 240.

tjts1 · #6 01-23-2018, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Phillytwotank

It would probably be more doable to swap the engine and transmission together into your 240.

Bingo

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chrisgt · #7 01-23-2018, 07:20 AM

From all accounts I've read, putting the 3.07 diff in a 240D works just fine as long as you don't live in like San Francisco and spend your entire day doing turbo nuclear hill stops.

jake12tech · #8 01-23-2018, 09:34 AM

that's a euro spec 190d. that Would be a shame to cut it up for your 240d and just waste it. a rare car that's become rarer along with the rest of the w124s and w201s.

tjts1 · #9 01-23-2018, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jake12tech

that's a euro spec 190d. that Would be a shame to cut it up for your 240d and just waste it. a rare car that's become rarer along with the rest of the w124s and w201s.

You should check out the JYs in California. So much rare rust free Euro spec metal meets the crusher on a daily basis and nobody gives it a second thought. Years ago it was W201 cosworths and diesels, long wheel base W123s and R107 500SL. More recently w124 500E. It's all worthless junk after a while.
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jake12tech · #10 01-23-2018, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by tjts1

You should check out the JYs in California. So much rare rust free Euro spec metal meets the crusher on a daily basis and nobody gives it a second thought. Years ago it was W201 cosworths and diesels, long wheel base W123s and R107 500SL. More recently w124 500E. It's all worthless junk after a while.
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that's a shame to hear. I love the cars. I'll likely try to bring a few from California to here just for the rust free chassis.

chasinthesun · #11 01-23-2018, 11:15 AM

The Fueling system and the expensive PARTS that go with it is what usually brings the gasser cars down to the scrapper ,this combined with a trannie issue is a certain ender to it being a feasable DD .Its the collectors and experienced DIYers that only gleam at these as a possible saver .This one is a good project BUT more pictures and background would be needed before any drive out would be my advice .The reality is even at $1000.it would be dbl that to make it road worthy and safe.The rust could have its way over yrs since it looks like a grass sitter.The over all bet is the 5 spd makes it worth the drive out ,the motor running is a big sign its at least been maintained to some degree.Ive had this combo and the vehicle is just right as a commuter,40 hwy and the looks are modern.If the injectors are leaking it will need new seal rings,if you do have these leaks expect to replace the fuel lines,old ones never come off easy without messing them up.Brakes would be another cost ,then if theirs a clutch in need of repair$$$.A real diyer double car.IF YOUR LOOKING FOR A 4SPD THEIRS A FEW OUT THEIR IN TEXAS ,I would keep your auto and just buy a 4spd 240d .

Simpler=Better · #12 01-23-2018, 11:11 AM

Allegedly the locating pins line up just fine, so you can strap them together and then drill new holes for mounting bolts in the bell housing. You also need to cut a hols for the starter. I saw pictures of one a guy did, it was a lot of work but he made it fit.

strelnik · #13 01-24-2018, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tjts1

You should check out the JYs in California. So much rare rust free Euro spec metal meets the crusher on a daily basis and nobody gives it a second thought. Years ago it was W201 cosworths and diesels, long wheel base W123s and R107 500SL. More recently w124 500E. It's all worthless junk after a while.
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Sounds great!

I am actually planning to drive to CA with a one-ton box truck to pick up a number of items I would want.

I am also looking for rear doors for wagons and a hatch back, and W123 front fenders for three cars. Plus drive trains in usable shape.

If there's a map of junkyards for southern CA (my friend lives in Redlands) that would be a good thing to get a hold of.

tjts1 · #14 01-24-2018, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by strelnik

Sounds great!

I am actually planning to drive to CA with a one-ton box truck to pick up a number of items I would want.

I am also looking for rear doors for wagons and a hatch back, and W123 front fenders for three cars. Plus drive trains in usable shape.

If there's a map of junkyards for southern CA (my friend lives in Redlands) that would be a good thing to get a hold of.

Check out the 2 PyP yards in Wilmington.

1232 Blinn Ave, Wilmington, CA 90744
and
1903 N Blinn Ave, Wilmington, CA 90744

These yards are YUGE! and well stocked.

Row 52 can tell you whats in stock at any yard in SoCal before you go on a wild goose chase.
http://row52.com/

GregMN · #15 01-23-2018, 12:55 PM

I have a W201 5spd transmission free for the taking. Northern MN. Not interested in shipping it. Weak synco's, but I drove it for a couple of years that way until a deer happened.