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Old 07-12-2019, 08:21 PM
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As far as I know, the the IP wiring looks sealed off, no connectors or weather pack seals to T pin into. I would have to cannabilize that harness.
As in a molded connector or just a hood over it?

You could access wires at the ECU but would need a wiring diagram, but you would need a wiring diagram anyway.
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Old 07-12-2019, 10:00 PM
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As in a molded connector or just a hood over it?

You could access wires at the ECU but would need a wiring diagram, but you would need a wiring diagram anyway.
True, I forgot about that.
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Old 07-12-2019, 02:10 PM
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Just ordered lift pump rebuild kit and a NEW overflow valve, we'll what comes of it.
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Old 07-12-2019, 02:35 PM
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Just ordered lift pump rebuild kit and a NEW overflow valve, we'll what comes of it.
Be aware that the 60x engines use a drilled-orifice style overflow valve. The orifice size determines pressure in the fuel rack, not spring pressure. The check valve with extremely weak spring is only there to prevent air ingress after shutdown. Changing the overflow valve will do nothing for pressure in the fuel rack.
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Interesting, I thought that a worn out overflow spring/deformed plastic bushings would cause issues.

Greazer's overflow valve springs are indeed a direct upgrade correct?
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Interesting, I thought that a worn out overflow spring/deformed plastic bushings would cause issues.

Greazer's overflow valve springs are indeed a direct upgrade correct?
No. The older MW IP's on the 616/617 and earlier engines had the pressure in the fuel rack regulated by the spring on the overflow valve. The spring operated a ball bearing that stopped flow through the OFV when pressure was too low.

The 60x engines use a different setup and a different lift pump. The lift pump can supply significantly more fuel than the IP can consume. Pressure in the fuel rack is regulated by the drilled orifice in the OFV, the lift pump moves a given volume against that orifice and pressure is a result. When pressure gets too high, the piston in the lift pump "floats" and pumps no more fuel. The plastic piece that warps and deforms is only there to serve as a check valve. The purpose is primarily to prevent air ingress when the engine is stopped, not to regulate fuel pressure. The spring is extremely weak, you can blow throw the valve with no effort. A warped or failed plastic check valve piece may cause some rough starts, but it won't affect power delivery or fuel pressure in the rack.

Greazzer's modded OFV will work on the 601/2/3 IP's without modification (I ran one on my SDL). Not sure about the 604/5/6. Be aware that priming the air out of the system is a major undertaking with the 61x style OFV fitted. The 60x fuel system has no primer handle and is designed for the air to be simply pushed out through the drilled orifice OFV.
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Greazzer's modded OFV will work on the 601/2/3 IP's without modification (I ran one on my SDL). Not sure about the 604/5/6. Be aware that priming the air out of the system is a major undertaking with the 61x style OFV fitted. The 60x fuel system has no primer handle and is designed for the air to be simply pushed out through the drilled orifice OFV.

What would be the advantage of going to a non drilled valve other than a crutch for a weak lift pump / reliving the good old 240D days when the car runs out of fuel?
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What would be the advantage of going to a non drilled valve other than a crutch for a weak lift pump / reliving the good old 240D days when the car runs out of fuel?
In my case it was a band-aid for air ingress issues, even with a brand new OE drilled OFV. I never found the air ingress source, but the spring style valve kept the rack full of fuel when sat. I freely admit it was a band-aid fix, but it worked to solve the problem I was having. I have the brand new OE drilled OFV mentioned above installed on my 350SD with 0 issues.
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In my case it was a band-aid for air ingress issues, even with a brand new OE drilled OFV. I never found the air ingress source,. .. .
Got it. My fix is an inline " looks like a fuel filter " universal fuel pump wired to turn on as soon as the glow plugs are in operation, it also runs with the key in the run position. I've got a 3 cyl Kubota on a ride on sweeper that had intermittent long crank, now it is a glow and instant start.

I put these pumps get put on other small to medium industrial diesels as primary lift pumps. If I had an old decrepit on the road diesel I'd do the same.
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Thanks for clearing that up, I removed the overflow valve from the order.
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My 1997 E300 is extremely slow
That is a feature, not a bug !
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Just did a 3 can diesel purge and filter change on a hot engine, underload at full RACK, nothing, no change whatsoever. The diesel purge didn't even get dirty, not even in the slightest. Clean fuel system.

Engine didn't get any quieter on the purge, which tells me my engine is in very good shape. Engine never smoked or shook to begin with.

Now, I have no choice but to rebuild the lift pump. That's going to take me all day.

If lift pump rebuild doesn't do it, it's time to buy a Xentry a get to the bottom of it.
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What's with you? I don't even go over 3900rpms anymore when driving, that's pretty much my redline.
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What's with you? I don't even go over 3900rpms anymore when driving, that's pretty much my redline.
You need a scan tool that can read what's going on in the ECU and TCU. From what you described I think you have a transmission problem or the throttle position sensor is bad.
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When I said "That's pretty much my redline " i'm saying I don't take it over that rev range because it quickly looses power.

It can go over that, but it pointless. It will be a while before I get Xentry.
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