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Old 01-17-2021, 12:43 AM
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DSS axles for W123 Benz?

Hey all,

I've recently picked up a 1983 240D. Both axles have shredded boots and the previous owner said it has been like this for quite some time. As such, I'm looking to put two new axles into it, but as far as I can tell, the only axles available are DSS. I've heard horror stories about the quality of this particular brand for other makes i.e. BMW and Volvo. Anyone have any experience with these? Any input would be greatly appreciated!
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Old 01-17-2021, 08:30 AM
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Old 01-17-2021, 10:52 AM
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I have not read of anyone using that brand. However, companies can get the axles from Asia and say they are from their company.

So DSS could be the same under another name that people had trouble with.

If you are going to buy aftermarket axles it is best to buy them over the counter locally. That way if you have issues you deal with it locally. Many places have life time warranties if you keep track of your paperwork.

Take a look at some of the Axle replacement threads and the part concerning the Spacers/Shims. Some members have had trouble fitting the Spacers onto the Axles themselves properly due to the way the Axle Stub is machined.

The other issue is if you get the type that has bolts going through it the Blots on some while driving have come loose. People have been removing one bolt at a time and decreasing the internal and external threads with brake cleaner and using a tread locker when the re-torque them.
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Old 01-17-2021, 03:04 PM
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X2 for CVJ. They did and probably still do, disassemble, clean, inspect, grease and reboot quality OE Benz axles. Easy folks to deal with.

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Old 01-17-2021, 03:08 PM
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When I first got my Car I had the cracked boot issues. I also had to get the car road worthy and did not know about how do the re-booting by either the Mercedes Manual method not the other method. I had no Mercedes Manual at that time.

2007 was also previous to the bunch of Asian made Axles that would show up later. I bought Cardon Rebuilt Axles from a local autoparts store. The Cardon Rebuilt Axles are original Mercedes axles. They are still sold by Autozone and the other local parts places.

The only issue I had with them is after 5 years the boots started to get fine cracks in them. I decided to and did reboot them with Doman Boots stretched over the "Cans" on my Axles. So I still have the Cardone Axles on my Car and they have a life time warranty.

I never bothered to try to get a new set under the warranty as the auto parts place Chiefs was sold to another Company and became Kragens and later O'reillys auto parts. I also simply wanted to try re-booting myself for the expeience.

Note at this time the Dorman Boots are not favored. Favored are the Astoria Flexx Boots.

If you are willing to deal with the boots starting to crack in 5 years the Cardone rebuilt ones are at least real Mercedes axles.
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Old 01-17-2021, 03:16 PM
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Hey all,

I've recently picked up a 1983 240D. Both axles have shredded boots and the previous owner said it has been like this for quite some time. As such, I'm looking to put two new axles into it, but as far as I can tell, the only axles available are DSS. I've heard horror stories about the quality of this particular brand for other makes i.e. BMW and Volvo. Anyone have any experience with these? Any input would be greatly appreciated!
"been like this for quite some." Since the original Mercedes Axles were filled with Oil and they had been open for so long your Axles don't make good candidates for re-booting.

When people re-boot there axles some want Oil in them others go with CV Grease as I did. Even the famous Axle re-builder uses CV Grease if you don't specifically ask for Oil.
Grease has the advantage that if you get some small leak in your boot it does not eventually com out as Oil will. Even if something from the road came up and ripped your boot if you have grease in your Axle all the grease is not going to come out right away.

Note the Cardone rebuilt axles I mentioned had CV Grease in them.
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X3 for CVJ. Not the cheapest alternative, but one of the best.
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Yeah I figured since they had been exposed to the elements for who knows how long I should just replace the whole thing.
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Old 02-03-2021, 12:51 AM
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Thanks everyone for your help. Looks like I'll be picking up a pair of axles from CVJ. Not cheap, but I plan on keeping her around for a long time, so may as well fork out the extra cash and only do the job once. The DSS axles might be ok, especially since they don't have much power to handle, but I think I'll stay away from Chinese parts.
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Not cheap

I just paid $454.83 for a pair on Thursday.
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Old 01-17-2021, 05:19 PM
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DSS is totally fine...

I assume you're referring to the annular version. I've had one for a few years now with no issues. I could understand the reluctance to roll dice with a homo-kinetic axle, but the nice thing about annular axles is even if you need to warranty one, there's no need to reopen the diff to change it out. Once that mount is in there, you're good to go.

There are stories out there, and on here, about the bolts backing out in annular axles -as D911 referred to above. Re-torquing before install should solve this issue. Possible they're not coming off the line with proper torque. After a year of running that axle, I noticed a bead of grease on the seam. The bolts had in fact loosened. I torqued them down to spec, and have heard not a peep since (two years later).

You can't use thread lock. Degreasing the threads makes no difference as they're passing through a grease cavity by nature of the design. The lock washers supplied should be fine. If you're concerned, you can easily replace them with lock washers of your choosing.


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Old 01-17-2021, 07:19 PM
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If I can't get new OEM then I've always used Duralast Gold axles and I have several in use at this point, no failures. One is probably about 15 years old.

But I've also been stockpiling old OEM ones to send off to a reputable refurbisher for that "NLA Apocalypse" that will eventually come.
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Old 01-17-2021, 08:04 PM
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Several of us in our area installed annular GSP axles, bought from Rck Otto. Mine have been in for about 6 months. They "look" good - No problems so far. Price is also good (About $53 each). We did find that the splines went further into the wheel hubs than the originals, so had to cut down the spacer tubes accordingly. They also have Cardone new and rebuilt.

Like DSS, these are totally new China made annular axles as opposed to the rebuilt original MB axles from CVJ.

GSP NCV48998 Info
FitsRear Left; w/ 24 13/16" Overall Comp. Length
orRear Right; w/ 24 13/16" Overall Comp. Length
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Several of us in our area installed annular GSP axles, bought from Rck Otto. Mine have been in for about 6 months. They "look" good - No problems so far. Price is also good (About $53 each). We did find that the splines went further into the wheel hubs than the originals, so had to cut down the spacer tubes accordingly. They also have Cardone new and rebuilt.

Like DSS, these are totally new China made annular axles as opposed to the rebuilt original MB axles from CVJ.

GSP NCV48998 Info
FitsRear Left; w/ 24 13/16" Overall Comp. Length
orRear Right; w/ 24 13/16" Overall Comp. Length
I've also had zero problems with the same axles - going on almost 3 years in a daily driver

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Old 01-18-2021, 06:35 PM
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I would strongly suggest you ignore all advice advocating Chinese axles as these are more akin to playing a lottery - sometimes they last for a 20-30K miles but in several cases, they fail much sooner, typically in a catastrophic manner.

Highly recommend you get your axles rebuilt by CVJ or CVsource. Both know their stuff and only use German OE parts to rebuild.
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