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Old 10-01-2021, 02:24 PM
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Damaged Valve Cover

I had the worst time getting my VC on and off for doing a valve adjustment. I had to stop for something, and didn’t want dirt falling in, so I tried to put the VC on at one point, and it got stuck. I don’t know what’s too tight, I think maybe the CC actuator is in slightly the wrong place or something…. Regardless, it literally got jammed on one of the threaded posts, and when I pulled it, the material in the hole broke off.





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I don’t see how this is an issue, I don’t imagine that those spots near down on anything, the nut clamps from the outside, and the VC gasket provides the stand-off. But how concerned should I be about this?

Knock on wood it doesn’t leak!!

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Old 10-01-2021, 03:01 PM
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Those are basically what dictates how far down the valve cover sits, and in turn how much the gasket is clamped between the cover and the head. The gasket is actually not the standoff. I.e. these are what you file down if you're having leaking issues, so the gasket is clamped tighter. You can see this by putting the cover on without a gasket. But it looks like most of it is there so that shouldn't affect this function. I would be more worried about trying to glue the pieces back and having them fall out into the engine than leaving it the way it is.
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Old 10-01-2021, 03:05 PM
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Found my handy diagram of what I'm talking about:

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Old 10-01-2021, 03:44 PM
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Those are basically what dictates how far down the valve cover sits, and in turn how much the gasket is clamped between the cover and the head. The gasket is actually not the standoff. I.e. these are what you file down if you're having leaking issues, so the gasket is clamped tighter. You can see this by putting the cover on without a gasket. But it looks like most of it is there so that shouldn't affect this function. I would be more worried about trying to glue the pieces back and having them fall out into the engine than leaving it the way it is.
Yeah. Jb weld or anything else would be a risk. There is lots of material and I use a torque wrench to set it. Thanks for the insight and pic!
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Old 10-01-2021, 05:05 PM
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Head to a local boat propeller repair shop. They can weld it together.
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Old 10-01-2021, 11:59 PM
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If you did get it welded, make sure they know that it's crucial they keep that shoulder surface at the exact same height that it is now. If it's taller then it'll leak there, and shorter could make it leak somewhere else.
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Too many old engines around to keep using that one. Source another and be more careful with the install.

Use a mirror and light to find the interference. Practice gently without the seal for the next time.
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Old 10-02-2021, 09:20 AM
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Too many old engines around to keep using that one. Source another and be more careful with the install.

Use a mirror and light to find the interference. Practice gently without the seal for the next time.
Good point, should be able to find another easy.

The interference seems to be a combination of the bearing towers in the rear, and the cruise control actuator in the front. The cover barely passes by the cc unit. To get it so tight and squeezed through it needs to rub (and chafe) the rear bearing towers. Somehow it got on a stud and jammed crooked, but was also stuck on at least one other of those points.
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Old 10-02-2021, 11:42 AM
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Which engine? I have spares…
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Old 10-02-2021, 12:12 PM
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Old 10-02-2021, 12:30 PM
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The cover barely passes by the cc unit.
It's not like the cruise control actuator is welded in place. Remove it.
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Old 10-02-2021, 02:18 PM
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It's not like the cruise control actuator is welded in place. Remove it.
Hindsight is 20/20. Was hard to tell at first what was getting snagged on what and where.
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1981 240D (73K)
1982 300CD (169k)
1985 190D (169k)
1991 350SD (113k)
1991 350SD (206k)
1991 300D (228k)
1993 300SD (291k)
1993 300D 2.5T (338k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (442k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (265k)

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1983 300D (228K)
1985 300D (233K)
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I do a test removal when I haven't done it for a while. It tips gently to the passenger side and goes on in reverse. Practice helps.
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Old 10-02-2021, 02:44 PM
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I do a test removal when I haven't done it for a while. It tips gently to the passenger side and goes on in reverse. Practice helps.

Yeah I have t done it in 10 years. I also have a rubber donut between the air cleaner and VC to minimize vibration. That probably didn’t help.

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Current Diesels:
1981 240D (73K)
1982 300CD (169k)
1985 190D (169k)
1991 350SD (113k)
1991 350SD (206k)
1991 300D (228k)
1993 300SD (291k)
1993 300D 2.5T (338k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (442k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (265k)

Past Diesels:
1983 300D (228K)
1985 300D (233K)
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